From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 23 22:37:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51FC4590 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:37:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-x232.google.com (mail-ig0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20CF733E for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:37:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f178.google.com with SMTP id r10so5481997igi.17 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:37:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zxx8WpRgCy4kEQLn4ENu0oqpKX7lT9zVdTcGgrrmd8c=; b=lauvZNTrNKgKRSteAWSOv9XQTKngXUigPzzHVcsDPUyEzN63dUex6WJZvFVXnc8SJL a6KTs+sLOeJcgXECQHNSFmBLGouo1sjQY3+5oXKMjSJzRFX2RlKIz+0EYNTK/+46qz71 Qz0KynlniB6UO9Fu5YrwerzVQjCAi8cqKj5DCj0sIW6PX5H6ZNqC/q6XhCCHfieaZdy6 5obxCAmY/7L0c2t/T5FkVh+dAI/YQpBMDgFu13fZHMz7DbmO1ntD+h2RvJdDOHFKGEQf /agdwRL+gy1ACFg+e84p3VSMsET+j/jFcBupWuKHK3fd56Hydx9REUI8+HqyzjYK06JZ e0gQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.51.2 with SMTP id g2mr26490772igo.7.1411511874477; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.72.69 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:37:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5421F165.7030304@wemm.org> References: <11E49217-8154-47AC-8D39-68256017D3A8@gmail.com> <0A216B9F-3437-461E-A52A-032F6B86B5F2@bsdimp.com> <5421F165.7030304@wemm.org> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:37:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [RFC] fully integrate etc/Makefile into bsd.prog.mk From: NGie Cooper To: Peter Wemm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Arch" X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:37:55 -0000 Hi Peter! On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Peter Wemm wrote: ... > Please keep in mind that the interface here to release build processes has > been relatively stable for a long time. Gratuitous changes for no clear > benefit would not be well received if it means having to do things > significantly differently on some branches to others. Understood. > Knowledge of how this works, and/or workarounds for the quirks in it > embedded in at least the following: > mergemaster > etcupdate > snapshot builder > release build process > cluster release build process > my employer's release build process, along with other people's. I'll take a look at how this is done in mergemaster, etcupdate, release, etc. Do you have a pointer to the snapshot builder/cluster release build process as well? Links offline would be much appreciated. > If there's a clear benefit that makes disrupting those all worth it, it had > better be more tangible than "it looks cleaner". Well, more consistent, cleaner, and easier for others to customize in the future. I don't want to change external interfaces for etc/Makefile (make distribution/make distribute/make install). > You're right that it's far from pretty, but its dealt with the same way at > least as far back as stable/4 and consistency is important to some of us. I totally understand, which is why I'm reaching out for comment. I've only been using FreeBSD since 5.2, so I still consider myself new on the block, such that I don't know all the ins and outs of older releases (and I need guidance from others who have been working with older releases to avoid breaking their processes). Thank you very much for the input! -Garrett