From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 20 15:34:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F22716A400 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:34:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gueven.bay@googlemail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C527F13C45A for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:34:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gueven.bay@googlemail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so446582pyi for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:34:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=fHN8IJ4xkY8kM8buBXwaOinX5QHkibmlgLjZNQAicSsqACmzRNQokbHKj/64MnFXdqRMkz64dchlyh+t92x9KMdWN40SdNxwiDELt0l4gBlY2IN9EPAs1cG1B/2tElpcy8Vvhq+IwD+W/vi5mEN2chvGxrLeCTunZJjCye2OSnI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=MmyXeFZjsp89DGOKUELC/9NiaNfmvZUjtWC5u/0J30KcO02EWHb8BlWUojQOS5vvq9J7c07f28GnWWRq/kpaC/meG/WIZwlJEsZWoBD00RaW7fgsqVohpXRz1+VikAtWiz8WWnpKbNHtDc+5XZm3Px1bZ8npbWzaRpSlqwrh3Fg= Received: by 10.35.128.1 with SMTP id f1mr1264953pyn.1182352043713; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.103.17 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <13413b8f0706200807u1a508c62x4de508a0e48a6e3d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:07:23 +0200 From: "Gueven Bay" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Menhir a distro for FreeBSD plus three other free operating systems. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:34:43 -0000 Dear FreeBSD community, With this post I started the work on Menhir. Menhir is a source based distribution of 4 free operating systems: Slackware, FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenSolaris. Menhir will distribute the sources of: FreeBSD Release 6.1 (base system) Slackware 11.0 (all packages which are required for "starting with pkgsrc) NetBSD Release 3.1 (base system) OpenSolaris build 65 + two tar balls of closed binaries which are required. + pkgsrc 2007Q1 The base systems are _forever_ "frozen" . Only bug fixing and security updates will be included in the source files. Only the pkgsrc tree is a "moving" part for actual and fresh userland. I want to distribute these 4 operating systems side by side for following reasons: 1) Collaboration: I want to make Menhir the meeting point of the users and developers from all the four operating systems. They should chat, develop and test together their systems for interoperability, security, stability and so on. With this I want to get rid of the ever ongoing of rivalry between the users and developers of the (free) Unix-like operating systems. 2) Teaching: I want to make Menhir a distribution for training the administration and development skills for all the four operating systems. You know that people are driving heterogeneous systems at their workplace and also in some cases at home. I also don't have to explain to you that heterogeneous systems are more stable and secure. With Menhir you will get the basis for building up skills for such a multi-operating system environment. I witness that if today someone learns about some Unix-like operating system then it is mostly Linux. I want to change that with Menhir. I want to bring the broad knowledge about all four operating systems to the users. 3) Experimenting: With Menhir you can start your own experiments (system building and also development) without fear because the stable base systems give you a point to where you can return if your experiments were not successful. With this I want to encourage users to build their systems not only with Linux but also with FreeBSD or NetBSD or OpenSolaris using the best combination for the appropriate "use-case". The principles of Menhir are: I) Strength : You, as a user, get four distributions with one medium. You, as a user, get one united documentation for every system. You get a really stable system as the base system will forever be constant. II) Vigour : You get a maximum flexible system. From the kernel up to the graphical userland you can choose every part of your system. As the base system is constant the userland will be always developing forward. This is dynamics to the max. III) Security : As the base system will be constant, after training yourself or your employees your skills never get old. As the base system will be constant, the testing and bug fixing will make the most possible stable system. With the overall quality management of the constant base system the most possible secure interaction between every operating system will be ensured. IV) Knowledge : This is the essence for using a computer system for maximum efficiency in private life and and business alike. With the concentrated, united documentation you get knowledge about all operating systems for deployment, administration and use. V) Freedom : Every included operating system is free. You are free to use them as you want. You are free to build upon them as you want. Today, I am building up the site for Menhir. Soon I will post you the address. But in the meantime every (constructive or non-constructive) comment is welcome. best regards Gueven Bay