From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 20:43:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DB21065672 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:43:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from giffunip@tutopia.com) Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1ED918FC14 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2011 20:30:07 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.36] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2011 20:30:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2011 20:30:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 396580.76389.bm@omp1036.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 69851 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 2011 20:30:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1313785807; bh=PkKpCoioXFv/J/37PDOPkClTPmBPYGy1u998fEW257E=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-RocketYMMF:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fZGDRtYK0P5/xvHXkaaTEhjXrOxVY5EZfN7sPZ+TZUya5LbGqSilI60dp7gzyz7Cr5akkCjjHfEncj1j7Gn8iJWl9hCwgB7Nl4LuLGLu+7CHFu3w3jJCzD2/FuBgvidMsZGi73AxKe0xY2fy9je326HeeHX9N+6+FWFm5IiJf9I= X-YMail-OSG: vivH2Y8VM1mr9hlFUMgCH4CNDUKIxF62.UcK_QEY_O783iJ 0OGioJAqKGD1M2Ly0O06AC0jmBIHMy_eKqPHP_grtvrAXUe7AoIqJ0bguCDZ HlXW3yH7K.hNH8YeB62Ty4dzPhLGy7fqsc3Q9wDszn6Y6nN3ueacvb2Bn3B9 F8yAWqvXCtHMMfQN8oDZ9sH9QPZQZnZRwReOpoWvm6zdoRcMchyM5V3sPEtc 9qyS1A1YE8WijH0j8BlhGTPPyLphHzHwRqkN_nIuS_1j.Q6kFlsnEdl9Y_gh 32wa6JrET6P_KFBt7jyLrIqvCobJo8u1cHOigUErh4Bf_mkc58kGL4frEzI6 vCJzL_PV167c1yvYe1VSsXhdnvsc9k_qF0vkM7cBrDMdmQRYg9.kDFfpVyaT RbcoFjaDul0Jov_TvLXHMYQvUCkPGydf_sl9hofqCGwc9dAmo5kHp2GZxcvR hFdFAejak74fe.XTGdI4CcsBlgAbzysMEgGI.zbQQ67Q- Received: from [190.157.142.22] by web113503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:30:06 PDT X-RocketYMMF: giffunip X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.313619 Message-ID: <1313785806.56747.YahooMailClassic@web113503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:30:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FreeBSD problems and preliminary ways to solve X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: giffunip@tutopia.com List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:43:06 -0000 First of all, thanks to Vadim for his initial post: it's=0Aevident he spend= a lot of time preparing it.=0A=0AI just want to give my 0.02$ to this disc= ussion:=0A=0AFreeBSD 9.0 is a huge step in the right direction in many=0Awa= ys. Perhaps what I like most is getting done with the=0Alast GNU toolchain = and ZFS updates and maintaining the well=0Aknown stability and performance = along with the new features.=0A=0AUnfortunately some necessary updates didn= 't make it in time,=0Ain particular pkgng and the X.Org drivers. The new in= staller=0Ais promising but lately installing and configuring XOrg has=0Abec= ome a nightmare so I find myself suggesting people to use=0APC-BSD instead.= =0A=0ASome rather important changes that seem critical for the future=0Alik= e ARM-EABI and a new toolchain seem to be lacking developers=0Aand perhaps = are going on too slowly to expect them to work in=0Athe near future but, al= l in all, I should mention that FreeBSD=0Ais still very influential and com= petitive. I've seen posts not=0Atoo long ago where linux developers praise = FreeBSD for keeping=0Athe development pace despite having a much smaller gr= oup.=0A=0AWhat I think is that perhaps FreeBSD shouldn=B4t be expecting=0At= o be a better linux than linux, simply because there is no=0Acompany relate= d to any BSD in capacity to compete with, say,=0ARedhat. We still can do pr= etty much everything linux does=0Awith a little extras, but we are a actual= ly niche market and=0Ait actually hasn't worked bad at all for us. =0A=0ACo= ncerning BSD sites moving to linux to reduce costs, as a=0Along time Yahoo = user I have to say that doesn't seem to be=0Agoing very well for them. I am= pretty sure such a process=0Ais painful for them as it is for the end user= .=0A=0AIMHO, we need to focus on the two fields where people expect=0AFreeB= SD to shine:=0A=0A- Servers: performance has always been our strong point= =0A=A0 but perhaps we should be focusing on ease of use. Ohh...=0A=A0 BTW, = jails are awesome!=0A=0A- Embedded devices: FreeBSD's license is key here.= =0A=0AI don't think the FreeBSD Foundation has been clueless at all=0Athoug= h, coordinating efforts in a voluntary project like this=0A*is* tough. Some= people complain because we release too fast=0Abut some also complain becau= se the release cycle is too long.=0AWe can't satisfy everyone and developme= nt just goes on.=0A=0APedro.=0A