From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 7 14:56:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A609C37B671 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09525; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:56:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001007153853.044e5e10@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 15:56:17 -0600 To: Brad Knowles From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: politeness Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001007145514.0473b100@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20001007145514.0473b100@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:28 PM 10/7/2000, Brad Knowles wrote: > While I agree that people should be more forthcoming with their complaints, the reality of the situation is that when people perceive someone as being excessively combative and disruptive, they don't always directly confront the person in question. Sometimes, they feel that the best way to get results is to approach people in a position of authority and file their complaint with them. This is inappropriate, since it is an attempt to turn the person who happens to have control of the list into a censor. It is also fitting that anyone who is threatened by a harmful action such as censorship be able to confront his or her "accuser." This right is guaranteed by the US Constitution when one is dealing with the government, and it is only fair that it be the policy in public forums such as mailing lists. > I haven't personally witnessed the complaints in this case, but I do have my own opinions of certain aspects of your personality, and I find that the statements from PHK sound credible. We all take issue with parts of other people's personalities, and the civil and socially acceptable thing to do is be tolerant. I find many comments on these lists to be abrasive, but do not get "bent out of shape" or advocate censorship. > Regardless of what you may feel about him personally, I think that this is a situation where you at least have to give serious consideration to what he has said. I always consider what I write and how people react to it. However, if everyone refrained from posting because of one or two flamers' callous remarks, then such bullies would quickly take over the forum. This certainly wouldn't be fair nor would it be good for the list. [Snip] > I know that in the past I have said and done some things that have seriously ticked off Jordan, and I hope that over the years I'll be able to reverse the damage that I have done. You seem to be implying that saying something that ticks off Jordan is automatically damaging! I don't think that whether any one person is or isn't annoyed by a posting is a good criterion for judging its worth. I've seen Jordan fly off the handle about a posting (frequently not mine) and later say that he regrets having done so. >If you want to positively contribute to the future of FreeBSD, I would encourage you to start trying to figure out what you've been doing wrong Forgive me for saying so, but I don't think that not marching in lockstep with everyone else, or posting anything with which someone (whether on the core team or otherwise) might disagree, is "wrong." [Snip} --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message