From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 15 14:42:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE49E106564A for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:42:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from flat.berklix.org (flat.berklix.org [83.236.223.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B6D8FC0C for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:42:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A4424.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.68.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by flat.berklix.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4FEgpft025740; Fri, 15 May 2009 16:42:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4FEgR9t011506; Fri, 15 May 2009 16:42:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4FEh9Tf027120; Fri, 15 May 2009 16:43:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200905151443.n4FEh9Tf027120@fire.js.berklix.net> To: matt@ixsystems.com From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 14 May 2009 11:19:38 PDT." <9740caf0905141119o193eda9h1bde4dbbb8f8645e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 16:43:09 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.org Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD jobs X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:42:58 -0000 Hi Matt, > > Several suckers have already enquired to that firm. =A0Hope we might get > > some Free labour to donate time to Freebsd, Not Stock holders ! > > Hi Julian, > Internships are an accepted way for a high school or university In America. America imported unpaid apprenticeships & indentured servitude (time limited slavery) from Europe/Britain centuries ago. Britain dumped both Long since. (Germany still has some interns eg in theatre, last described as a rip off). Condolences that the "Land of the free" retains medieval European intern practice. > it is clearly stated that it is a non-paid internship in the post. Not clear at start. The word "intern" may be clear warning of No Money in American dialect, but to British eyes, it was a strange word out of context & ignored. ( Monika Lewinsky news first brought the quaint old fashioned American word & concept of Intern back across the Atlantic, but in English, Intern just means certain some workers ). Posting near end had: "San Francisco" Posting in final line had: "This is an unpaid position!" Posting should have started "USA/ San Francisco - Unpaid job" to efficiently enable global readership of jobs@ to delete unread, but American-centric censors of global jobs@ messed up as often, > I imagine that there would be some interested students or unemployed > people that would love to work with Alfred on a project at Juniper a > few hours a week in their spare time, for free. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-jobs/2009-May/000652.html "more than 2 hours/day" That's 1/4 or more of a full time job - _Unpaid_ ! No offer of money, food, transport, training courses, books, hardware to keep. It undermines labour rates for all BSD workers. The jobs@freebsd.org censors blocked my polite post people instead work free for freebsd.org > It will look great on > a resume, they will probably learn some valuable skills, and perhaps > parlay it into a full-time, paid position. Managers will read: "This keen sucker can be kept at Low rates for a Long time". Better that FreeBSD people work free Not for scrounging commercial firms & share holder profit, but for charity eg: FreeBSD development projects & systems admin (eg send-pr base, (parlay into a job requiring corporate support/ trouble ticket experience ), FSF, Xorg, Greenpeace, computer automating a local library, FreeBSD training lectures to schools, fixing BSD install etc for blind / half blind etc. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com Mail plain ASCII text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. www.asciiribbon.org