From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Tue Nov 13 22:52:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0817511357C3; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 22:52:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-f53.google.com (mail-lf1-f53.google.com [209.85.167.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E8F17CD2D; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 22:52:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-f53.google.com with SMTP id b20so10083877lfa.12; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 14:52:58 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ZK85MHLf8ksY8etL0PhkjbuwjI1pJ5lY+lQWrLz3F8M=; b=IQWi+OaheTkmYBao5MT7LwxvaVtSC6hXIyPnyu4/f/4AfWL3eoM9zPb0ryUXyVWFBj S0zvASIyUKu3WQVxYG+K2Rurkt1iaRScO3v7OME3RKqWSGjBP3hhgdZOdZ9YEqwwkDXv foGQcWQA+R9Vpi3SZPgsNyCi3WNw0IeAAvgv0kuNe2ItIQQl+PXeEDSk+Su/UGRoUOta ISWUcKjW8hXuEr7sUGgmcGR+nk8MNLYiZlEeSU3Y512EHuSrdgBXoD0gXzNF/4U/POXY GWkKXCnM1svCIRuqvhTLjrZ+zpZ24kvBb1iLmx057E6y5LE7noqeCTMI+B89JI9MLxcT 7aWQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gK3dfRiCHovLdPNCzKKYOlLjCxpoGB7HnWJCf/0G6nISTPmIiS1 fuMl9M5WxdltoosAFbGp93fcKKRS3kdyYRcXMT0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5czx7NQnrqgZ9pOOzjLTTy4T92jKwtFHN/kNWaz2KeGw2ig9H0BqS7XSp/6UI5ZThwxo86DHbZJay1egIuGSgA= X-Received: by 2002:a19:c396:: with SMTP id t144mr3855397lff.110.1542149571269; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 14:52:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Alan Somers Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 15:52:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Hole-punching, TRIM, etc To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, freebsd-fs , FreeBSD CURRENT X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2E8F17CD2D X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.07 / 200.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.968,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[53.167.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-1.10)[ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.47), asn: 15169(-1.91), country: US(-0.09)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[asomers@freebsd.org,asomers@gmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[53.167.85.209.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[asomers@freebsd.org,asomers@gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 22:52:59 -0000 On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 3:51 PM Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 3:10 PM Alan Somers wrote: > >> Hole-punching has been discussed on these lists before[1]. It basically >> means to turn a dense file into a sparse file by deallocating storage for >> some of the blocks in the middle. There's no standard API for it. Linux >> uses fallocate(2); Solaris and OSX add a new opcode to fcntl(2). >> >> A related concept is telling a block device that some blocks are no longer >> used. SATA calls this "TRIM", SCSI calls it "UNMAP", NVMe calls it >> "Deallocate", ZBC and ZAC call it "Reset Write Pointer". They all do >> basically the same thing, and it's analogous to hole-punching for regular >> files. They are also all inaccessible from FreeBSD's userland except by >> using pass(4), which is inconvenient and protocol-specific. >> >> Linux has a BLKDISCARD ioctl for issuing TRIM-like commands from userland, >> but it's totally undocumented and doesn't work on regular files. >> >> I propose adding support for all of these things using the fcntl(2) API. >> Using the same syntax that Solaris defined, you would be able to punch a >> hole in a regular file or TRIM blocks from an SSD. ZFS already supports >> it >> (though FreeBSD's port never did, and the code was deleted in r303763). >> Here's what I would do: >> >> 1) Add the F_FREESP command to fcntl(2). >> 2) Add a .fo_space field for struct fileops >> 3) Add a devfs_space method that implements .fo_space >> 4) Add a .d_space field to struct cdevsw >> 5) Add a g_dev_space method for GEOM that implements .d_space using >> BIO_DELETE. >> 6) Add a VOP_SPACE vop >> 7) Implement VOP_SPACE for tmpfs >> 8) Add aio_freesp(2), an asynchronous version of fcntl(F_FREESP). >> >> The greatest beneficiaries of this work would be type 2 hypervisors like >> QEMU and VirtualBox with guests that use TRIM, and userland filesystems >> such as fusefs-ext2 and fusefs-exfat. High-performance storage systems >> using SPDK would also benefit. The last item, aio_freesp(2), may seem >> unnecessary but it would really benefit my application. >> >> Questions, objections, flames? >> > > So the fcntl would deallocate blocks from a filesystem only. The > filesystem may issue BIO_DELETE as a result, but that's up to the > filesystem, correct? > Correct. > > On a raw device it would be translated into a BIO_DELETE command directly, > correct? > Correct, modulo edge cases. > > Warner >