RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)

From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 4 9:33:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.thenap.com (mailman.thenap.com [209.190.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD61A37B718 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:32:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drew.weaver@thenap.com) Received: by mailman.thenap.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:46:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Drew J. Weaver" To: "'heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk'" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:46:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0BD26.CDD2FD5C" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0BD26.CDD2FD5C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I suppose you are correct but that isn't to say that Redhat forces you to keep everything running, they have a nifty little util called ntsysv that lets you basically visually see everything its starting and tell it wether or not to do it, or you can always do it the old fashioned way via xinetd/inetd or through /etc/sysconfig/init.d. It doesnt really hurt to have all of those things starting by default at installation time, because if the user doesnt know enough to shutdown services that arent meant to be running than he will probably end up being hacked anyway through other mistakes of his/her own. -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Heckford [mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:27 PM To: Drew J. Weaver Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) Compare a default redhat install to a default FreeBSD install, from a newbies perspective. Which one is more secure? FreeBSD. J On 2001.04.04 17:40 Drew J. Weaver wrote: > Enh, Redhat only starts everything if it is configured to start > everything, > and has utilities (and manual ways) of telling it not to start everything > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jamie Heckford [mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:16 PM > To: Drew J. Weaver > Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) > > > IMHO, redhat is a hell of a lot harder, due > to the fact it launches every damn service you > can think off, most of which are outdated and full of security > holes, and when you try to update them linuxconf throws a > fit becuase you didnt do it through a GUI. > > FreeBSD is a hell of a lot easier to set up as a server > you can trust, without chewing your fingers off. > > Jamie > > On 2001.04.04 17:19 Drew J. Weaver wrote: > > Just an off topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are > all > > of > > equal "difficulty" to administer, I run all 3 and none of them make me > > shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're attempting to make here? > > > > --- quoth the raven, --- > > > > Everybody should start with a *nix running on a publicly accessable > box. > > (Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly really old versions of > > Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X either - CLI, people!) > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Chet Hosey > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno Davids thus spoke: > > > > > > > | > Is there any way to trace who is doing it? | > Running tcpdump > > > > with certain filter settings to avoid logging everything and > > > > filling the disk? > > > > > > > > > > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed version of bind... > > > > | Every kid with a script and an internet connection is probably > > > > | doing this to you!!! > > > > > > > This response kind of bothers me. There was a time > > > > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers I emailed > > > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them. Similarly, when people > > > > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory emails. > > > > > > If you find a way this works let me know. I've given up doing this > > > because except for the most well known, I've received rejects from > > > all mail addresses at the offending provider, root,abuse, > > > postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just gave up and put the in > > > the REJECT list. > > > > > > Those days responsible people, and not quick buck artists, we're > > > keeping the 'net running. > > > > > > > There was a time when if you probed the Apache on my machine it > > > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there _was_ a great deal > > > > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, there's little mileage > > > > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). :) > > > > > > I never was into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'. > > > > > > Bill > > > -- > > > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) > > > > > > > >

Just an off > > topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all of equal > > "difficulty" to administer, I run all 3 and none of them make > > me shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're attempting to make > > here?

> > > >

--- quoth the raven, --- > >

> > > >

Everybody should start with a *nix running on a > publicly > > accessable box. > >
(Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly > really > > old versions of > >
Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X > either > > - CLI, people!) > >

> > > >

SIZE=2>_____________________________________________________________________ > ___ > >

> > > >

Chet Hosey > >
<chosey@nidhog.com> > >
SIZE=2>_____________________________________________________________________ > ___ > >

> > > >

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: > >

> > > >

> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno > > Davids thus spoke: > >
> > >
> > | > Is there any way to trace who is > doing > > it? | > Running tcpdump > >
> > with certain filter settings to avoid > logging > > everything and > >
> > filling the disk? > >
> > >
> > >
> > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed > > version of bind... > >
> > | Every kid with a script and an internet > > connection is probably > >
> > | doing this to you!!! > >
> > >
> > This response kind of bothers me. There was > a > > time > >
> > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers > I > > emailed > >
> > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them. > > Similarly, when people > >
> > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory > > emails. > >
> > >
> If you find a way this works let me know. > > I've given up doing this > >
> because except for the most well known, I've > > received rejects from > >
> all mail addresses at the offending provider, > > root,abuse, > >
> postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just gave > up > > and put the in > >
> the REJECT list. > >
> > >
> Those days responsible people, and not quick buck > > artists, we're > >
> keeping the 'net running. > >
> > >
> > There was a time when if you probed the > Apache > > on my machine it > >
> > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, > there > > _was_ a great deal > >
> > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, > > there's little mileage > >
> > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). > > :) > >
> > >
> I never was into 'revenge' or > 'tit-for-tat'. > >
> > >
> Bill > >
> -- > >
> Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . > com > >
> > >
> To Unsubscribe: send mail to > > majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >
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> > >

> >
> > > >

To Unsubscribe: send mail to > majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >
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> > > > > > > -- > Jamie Heckford > Chief Network Engineer > Psi-Domain - Innovative Linux Solutions. Ask Us How. > > FreeBSD - The power to serve > > ===================================== > email: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk > web: http://www.psi-domain.co.uk/ > > tel: +44 (0)1737 789 246 > fax: +44 (0)1737 789 245 > mobile: +44 (0)7866 724 224 > > ===================================== > > > > > > > RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) > > > >

Enh, Redhat only starts everything if it is configured to > start everything, and has utilities (and manual ways) of telling it not > to start everything

> >

-----Original Message----- >
From: Jamie Heckford [ HREF="mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk">mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk] >
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:16 PM >
To: Drew J. Weaver >
Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >
Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep > crashing) >

>
> >

IMHO, redhat is a hell of a lot harder, due >
to the fact it launches every damn service you >
can think off, most of which are outdated and full of > security >
holes, and when you try to update them linuxconf throws > a >
fit becuase you didnt do it through a GUI. >

> >

FreeBSD is a hell of a lot easier to set up as a > server >
you can trust, without chewing your fingers off. >

> >

Jamie >

> >

On 2001.04.04 17:19 Drew J. Weaver wrote: >
> Just an off topic > note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all >
> of >
> equal "difficulty" to administer, I run > all 3 and none of them make me >
> shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're > attempting to make here? >
> >
> --- quoth the raven, --- >
> >
> Everybody should start with a *nix running on a > publicly accessable box. >
> (Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly > really old versions of >
> Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X > either - CLI, people!) >
> >
> ________________________________________________________________________ >
> >
> Chet Hosey >
> <chosey@nidhog.com> >
> ________________________________________________________________________ >
> >
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno > Davids thus spoke: >
> > >
> > > | > Is there any way to trace who is > doing it? | > Running tcpdump >
> > > with certain filter settings to avoid > logging everything and >
> > > filling the disk? >
> > >
> > >
> > > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed > version of bind... >
> > > | Every kid with a script and an internet > connection is probably >
> > > | doing this to you!!! >
> > >
> > > This response kind of bothers me. There > was a time >
> > > when everytime I could sanely trace > spammers I emailed >
> > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise > them. Similarly, when people >
> > > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory > emails. >
> > >
> > If you find a way this works let me > know. I've given up doing this >
> > because except for the most well known, I've > received rejects from >
> > all mail addresses at the offending provider, > root,abuse, >
> > postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just > gave up and put the in >
> > the REJECT list. >
> > >
> > Those days responsible people, and not quick > buck artists, we're >
> > keeping the 'net running. >
> > >
> > > There was a time when if you probed the > Apache on my machine it >
> > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, > there _was_ a great deal >
> > > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, > there's little mileage >
> > > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). > :) >
> > >
> > I never was into 'revenge' or > 'tit-for-tat'. >
> > >
> > Bill >
> > -- >
> > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . > com >
> > >
> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to > majordomo@FreeBSD.org >
> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in > the body of the message >
> > >
> >
> >
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>       &nb sp; > Just an off >
> topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are > all of equal >
> "difficulty" to administer, I run > all 3 and none of them make >
> me shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're > attempting to make >
> here? >
> >
> --- quoth the raven, > --- >
> >
> >
> Everybody should start > with a *nix running on a publicly >
> accessable box. >
> (Note: Linux doesn't > count here, except possibly really >
> old versions of >
> Slackware. Damned RH > makes things too easy. No X either >
> - CLI, people!) >
> >
> >
> SIZE=2>__________________________________________________________________ ______ >
> >
> >
> Chet > Hosey >
> SIZE=2><chosey@nidhog.com> >
> SIZE=2>__________________________________________________________________ ______ >
> >
> >
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, > Bill Vermillion wrote: >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr > 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno >
> Davids thus spoke: >
> SIZE=2>> >
> > > | > > Is there any way to trace who is doing >
> it? | > Running tcpdump >
> > > with > certain filter settings to avoid logging >
> everything and >
> > > > filling the disk? >
> SIZE=2>> >
> SIZE=2>> >
> > > | > Dont bother... Just install the fixed >
> version of bind... >
> > > | > Every kid with a script and an internet >
> connection is probably >
> > > | > doing this to you!!! >
> SIZE=2>> >
> > > This > response kind of bothers me. There was a >
> time >
> > > when > everytime I could sanely trace spammers I >
> emailed >
> > > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them. >
> Similarly, when people >
> > > > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory >
> emails. >
> SIZE=2>> >
> > If you find a > way this works let me know.  >
> I've given up doing this >
> > because > except for the most well known, I've >
> received rejects from >
> > all mail > addresses at the offending provider, >
> root,abuse, >
> > postmaster, > webmaster, etc.  So I just gave up >
> and put the in >
> > the REJECT > list. >
> SIZE=2>> >
> > Those days > responsible people, and not quick buck >
> artists, we're >
> > keeping the > 'net running. >
> SIZE=2>> >
> > > > There was a time when if you probed the Apache >
> on my machine it >
> > > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there >
> _was_ a great deal >
> > > of > satisfaction there... Needless to say, >
> there's little mileage >
> > > in > this now (damned M$ service packs!). >
> :) >
> SIZE=2>> >
> > I never was > into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'. >
> SIZE=2>> >
> > > Bill >
> > > -- >
> > Bill > Vermillion -   bv @ wjv . com >
> SIZE=2>> >
> > To > Unsubscribe: send mail to >
> majordomo@FreeBSD.org >
> > with > "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the >
> body of the message >
> SIZE=2>> >
> >
> >
> >
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I suppose = you are correct but that isn't to say that Redhat forces you to keep = everything running, they have a nifty little util called ntsysv that = lets you basically visually see everything its starting and tell it = wether or not to do it, or you can always do it the old fashioned way = via xinetd/inetd or through /etc/sysconfig/init.d.

It doesnt = really hurt to have all of those things starting by default at = installation time, because if the user doesnt know enough to shutdown = services that arent meant to be running than he will probably end up = being hacked anyway through other mistakes of his/her own.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Heckford [mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.c= o.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:27 PM
To: Drew J. Weaver
Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org
Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep = crashing)

Compare a default redhat install to a default FreeBSD = install,
from a newbies perspective.

Which one is more secure? FreeBSD.

On 2001.04.04 17:40 Drew J. Weaver wrote:
> Enh, Redhat only starts everything if it is = configured to start
> everything,
> and has utilities (and manual ways) of telling = it not to start everything
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jamie Heckford [mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.c= o.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:16 PM
> To: Drew J. Weaver
> Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org
> Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named = Keep crashing)
>
>
> IMHO, redhat is a hell of a lot harder, = due
> to the fact it launches every damn service = you
> can think off, most of which are outdated and = full of security
> holes, and when you try to update them = linuxconf throws a
> fit becuase you didnt do it through a = GUI.
>
> FreeBSD is a hell of a lot easier to set up as = a server
> you can trust, without chewing your fingers = off.
>
> Jamie
>
> On 2001.04.04 17:19 Drew J. Weaver = wrote:
> > Just an off topic note = here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are
> all
> > of
> > equal "difficulty" to = administer, I run all 3 and none of them make me
> > shiver in my boots. Not sure what point = you're attempting to make here?
> >
> > --- quoth the raven, ---
> >
> > Everybody should start with a *nix running = on a publicly accessable
> box.
> > (Note: Linux doesn't count here, except = possibly really old versions of
> > Slackware. Damned RH makes things too = easy. No X either - CLI, people!)
> >
> > = ________________________________________________________________________=
> >
> > Chet Hosey
> > <chosey@nidhog.com>
> > = ________________________________________________________________________=
> >
> > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion = wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM = +1000, Enno Davids thus spoke:
> > >
> > > > | > Is there any way to trace = who is doing it? | > Running tcpdump
> > > > with certain filter settings to = avoid logging everything and
> > > > filling the disk?
> > >
> > >
> > > > | Dont bother... Just install = the fixed version of bind...
> > > > | Every kid with a script and an = internet connection is probably
> > > > | doing this to you!!!
> > >
> > > > This response kind of bothers = me. There was a time
> > > > when everytime I could sanely = trace spammers I emailed
> > > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to = advise them. Similarly, when people
> > > > probed Apache I'd send off = adivsory emails.
> > >
> > > If you find a way this works let me = know. I've given up doing this
> > > because except for the most well = known, I've received rejects from
> > > all mail addresses at the offending = provider, root,abuse,
> > > postmaster, webmaster, etc. So = I just gave up and put the in
> > > the REJECT list.
> > >
> > > Those days responsible people, and = not quick buck artists, we're
> > > keeping the 'net running.
> > >
> > > > There was a time when if you = probed the Apache on my machine it
> > > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues = aside, there _was_ a great deal
> > > > of satisfaction there... = Needless to say, there's little mileage
> > > > in this now (damned M$ service = packs!). :)
> > >
> > > I never was into 'revenge' or = 'tit-for-tat'.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > --
> > > Bill Vermillion - bv @ = wjv . com
> > >
> > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> > > with "unsubscribe = freebsd-isp" in the body of the message
> > >
> >
> >
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> > =       &am= p;nbsp; Just an off
> > topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and = RedHat are all of equal
> > "difficulty" to = administer, I run all 3 and none of them make
> > me shiver in my boots. Not sure what point = you're attempting to make
> > here?
> >
> > --- quoth = the raven, --- 
> > 
> >
> > Everybody = should start with a *nix running on a
> publicly
> > accessable box.
> > (Note: = Linux doesn't count here, except possibly
> really
> > old versions of
> > Slackware. = Damned RH makes things too easy. No X
> either
> > - CLI, people!)
> > 
> >
> > = SIZE=3D2>____________________________________________________________= _________
> ___
> > 
> >
> > Chet = Hosey
> > <chosey@nidhog.com>
> > = SIZE=3D2>____________________________________________________________= _________
> ___
> > 
> >
> > On Wed, 4 = Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote:
> > 
> >
> > > On = Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno
> > Davids thus spoke:
> > >
> > > = > | > Is there any way to trace who is
> doing
> > it? | > Running = tcpdump
> > > = > with certain filter settings to avoid
> logging
> > everything and
> > > = > filling the disk?
> > >
> > >
> > > = > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed
> > version of bind...
> > > = > | Every kid with a script and an internet
> > connection is probably
> > > = > | doing this to you!!!
> > >
> > > = > This response kind of bothers me. There was
> a
> > time
> > > = > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers
> I
> > emailed
> > > = > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them.
> > Similarly, when people
> > > = > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory
> > emails.
> > >
> > > If = you find a way this works let me know. 
> > I've given up doing = this
> > > = because except for the most well known, I've
> > received rejects from
> > > = all mail addresses at the offending provider,
> > root,abuse,
> > > = postmaster, webmaster, etc.  So I just gave
> up
> > and put the in
> > > = the REJECT list.
> > >
> > > = Those days responsible people, and not quick buck
> > artists, we're
> > > = keeping the 'net running.
> > >
> > > = > There was a time when if you probed the
> Apache
> > on my machine it
> > > = > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside,
> there
> > _was_ a great deal
> > > = > of satisfaction there... Needless to say,
> > there's little mileage
> > > = > in this now (damned M$ service packs!).
> > :)
> > >
> > > I = never was into 'revenge' or
> 'tit-for-tat'.
> > >
> > > = Bill
> > > = --
> > > = Bill Vermillion -   bv @ wjv .
> com
> > >
> > > To = Unsubscribe: send mail to
> > majordomo@FreeBSD.org
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> > >
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> Enh, Redhat only = starts everything if it is configured to
> start everything, and has utilities (and manual = ways) of telling it not
> to start = everything
>
> -----Original = Message-----
> From: Jamie = Heckford [<A
> HREF=3D"mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.c= o.uk">mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.c= o.uk</A>]
> Sent: Wednesday, = April 04, 2001 1:16 PM
> To: Drew J. = Weaver
> Cc: = freebsd-isp@freebsd.org
> Subject: RE: = Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep
> crashing)
> 
> 
>
> IMHO, redhat is a = hell of a lot harder, due
> to the fact it = launches every damn service you
> can think off, = most of which are outdated and full of
> security 
> holes, and when = you try to update them linuxconf throws
> a 
> fit becuase you = didnt do it through a GUI.
> 
>
> FreeBSD is a hell = of a lot easier to set up as a
> server
> you can trust, = without chewing your fingers off.
> 
>
> Jamie
> 
>
> On 2001.04.04 = 17:19 Drew J. Weaver wrote:
> > =       Just an off = topic
> note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are = all
> > = of
> > equal = "difficulty" to administer, I run
> all 3 and none of them make = me
> > shiver = in my boots. Not sure what point you're
> attempting to make here?
> > = 
> > --- = quoth the raven, --- 
> > = 
> > = Everybody should start with a *nix running on a
> publicly accessable box.
> > (Note: = Linux doesn't count here, except possibly
> really old versions of
> > = Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X
> either - CLI, people!)
> > = 
> > = ________________________________________________________________________= 
> > = 
> > Chet = Hosey
> > = <chosey@nidhog.com>
> > = ________________________________________________________________________= 
> > = 
> > On Wed, = 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote:
> > = 
> > = > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno
> Davids thus spoke:
> > = >
> > = > > | > Is there any way to trace who is
> doing it? | > Running = tcpdump
> > = > > with certain filter settings to avoid
> logging everything and
> > = > > filling the disk?
> > = >
> > = >
> > = > > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed
> version of bind...
> > = > > | Every kid with a script and an internet
> connection is probably
> > = > > | doing this to you!!!
> > = >
> > = > > This response kind of bothers me. There
> was a time
> > = > > when everytime I could sanely trace
> spammers I emailed
> > = > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise
> them. Similarly, when = people
> > = > > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory
> emails.
> > = >
> > = > If you find a way this works let me
> know.  I've given up doing = this
> > = > because except for the most well known, I've
> received rejects from
> > = > all mail addresses at the offending provider,
> root,abuse,
> > = > postmaster, webmaster, etc.  So I just
> gave up and put the in
> > = > the REJECT list.
> > = >
> > = > Those days responsible people, and not quick
> buck artists, we're
> > = > keeping the 'net running.
> > = >
> > = > > There was a time when if you probed the
> Apache on my machine it
> > = > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside,
> there _was_ a great deal
> > = > > of satisfaction there... Needless to say,
> there's little mileage
> > = > > in this now (damned M$ service packs!).
> :)
> > = >
> > = > I never was into 'revenge' or
> 'tit-for-tat'.
> > = >
> > = > Bill
> > = > --
> > = > Bill Vermillion -   bv @ wjv .
> com
> > = >
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> > = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
> Just an = off
> > topic = note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are
> all of equal
> > = &quot;difficulty&quot; to administer, I run
> all 3 and none of them make
> > me = shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're
> attempting to make
> > = here?
> > = 
> > = --- quoth the = raven,
> --- 
> > = 
> > = 
> > = Everybody should = start
> with a *nix running on a = publicly
> > = accessable box.
> > = (Note: Linux = doesn't
> count here, except possibly = really
> > old = versions of
> > = Slackware. Damned = RH
> makes things too easy. No X = either
> > - CLI, = people!)
> > = 
> > = 
> > = = SIZE=3D2>________________________________________________________= ________________
> > = 
> > = 
> > = Chet
> Hosey
> > = = SIZE=3D2>&lt;chosey@nidhog.com&gt;</FONT&a= mp;gt;
> > = = SIZE=3D2>________________________________________________________= ________________
> > = 
> > = 
> > = On Wed, 4 Apr = 2001,
> Bill Vermillion = wrote:
> > = 
> > = 
> > = &gt; On Wed, = Apr
> 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, = Enno
> > Davids = thus spoke:
> > = = SIZE=3D2>&gt;
> > = &gt; = &gt; |
> &gt; Is there any way to trace who is = doing
> > it? | = &gt; Running tcpdump
> > = &gt; = &gt; with
> certain filter settings to avoid = logging
> > = everything and
> > = &gt; = &gt;
> filling the = disk?
> > = = SIZE=3D2>&gt;
> > = = SIZE=3D2>&gt;
> > = &gt; = &gt; |
> Dont bother... Just install the = fixed
> > version = of bind...
> > = &gt; = &gt; |
> Every kid with a script and an = internet
> > = connection is probably
> > = &gt; = &gt; |
> doing this to = you!!!
> > = = SIZE=3D2>&gt;
> > = &gt; = &gt; This
> response kind of bothers me. There was = a
> > = time
> > = &gt; = &gt; when
> everytime I could sanely trace spammers = I
> > = emailed
> > = &gt; = &gt;
> abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise = them.
> > = Similarly, when people
> > = &gt; = &gt;
> probed Apache I'd send off = adivsory
> > = emails.
> > = = SIZE=3D2>&gt;
> > = &gt; If you find = a
> way this works let me = know.&nbsp;
> > I've = given up doing this
> > = &gt; = because
> except for the most well known, = I've
> > = received rejects from
> > = &gt; all = mail
> addresses at the offending = provider,
> > = root,abuse,
> > = &gt; = postmaster,
> webmaster, etc.&nbsp; So I just gave = up
> > and put = the in
> > = &gt; the = REJECT
> list.
> > = = SIZE=3D2>&gt;
> > = &gt; Those = days
> responsible people, and not quick = buck
> > = artists, we're
> > = &gt; keeping = the
> 'net = running.
> > = = SIZE=3D2>&gt;
> > = &gt; = &gt;
> There was a time when if you probed the = Apache
> > on my = machine it
> > = &gt; = &gt;
> winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, = there
> > _was_ a = great deal
> > = &gt; = &gt; of
> satisfaction there... Needless to = say,
> > there's = little mileage
> > = &gt; = &gt; in
> this now (damned M$ service = packs!).
> > = :)
> > = = SIZE=3D2>&gt;
> > = &gt; I never = was
> into 'revenge' or = 'tit-for-tat'.
> > = = SIZE=3D2>&gt;
> > = &gt;
> Bill
> > = &gt;
> --
> > = &gt; Bill
> Vermillion -&nbsp;&nbsp; bv @ = wjv . com
> > = = SIZE=3D2>&gt;
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