From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 10 10:42:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14125 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 10:42:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from techunix.technion.ac.il (mellon@techunix.technion.ac.il [132.68.1.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14118 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 10:42:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mellon@techunix.technion.ac.il) Received: (from mellon@localhost) by techunix.technion.ac.il (8.8.7/8.8.5) id UAA05293; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:42:10 +0300 (IDT) Message-ID: <19980510204210.12446@techunix.technion.ac.il> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:42:10 +0300 From: Anatoly Vorobey To: "Jan B. Koum " Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux as a Mozilla total reference platform References: <199805101104.EAA01553@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from Jan B. Koum on Sun, May 10, 1998 at 04:25:50AM -0700 X-Disclaimer: I was young, I needed the money! Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You, Jan B. Koum , were spotted writing this on Sun, May 10, 1998 at 04:25:50AM -0700: > > You have a point. Hence we now have two views to take. No, I think we are free to remember that the world isn't a black-and-white movie. > 1. Linux people are our friend. We are both here for the same reason. We > both love free software and we are both against MS. This is mostly, but not entirely, true. The next view, however, is inane: > 2. Linux peple are not our friend. While they also hate MS, the want to > replace shitty MS products with only their shitty OS. However strongly you feel about technical superiority of FreeBSD over Linux (and I do feel so strongly), calling Linux a shitty OS and equating it with MS OSes is neither wise nor smart. Linux is a good kernel; it is not 'hacked up' although is less clean and stable than FreeBSD's. Linux userland is a good and powerful collection of programs, too. Maybe you should admin some mixed NT/95 networks for living to learn the difference between MS products and Linux. > They fear > competition for their weak, hacked up together OS and would like to see > *BSD go away. This is also incredibly silly and paranoid. Linux pushers push Linux because they LOVE LINUX. Not because they hate you, jkh, Berkeley or userland ppp. Is that so hard to understand? Yes, they often exhibit characteristics of mindless groupies. Yes, they're too often less intelligent than I would like to see them. But where on Earth did you find that 'fear of competition...'? The simple fact is that nearly all Linux fans are absolutely _ignorant_ of FreeBSD and have no idea whether it's superior or inferior or even that it exists. To paraphrase an old Murphy law: "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by ignorance." When Mr. Andresseen does his PR rant about importance of Linux, etc., he doesn't _think_ of FreeBSD. It's not in his mind as another viable and important platform for Netscape. That's probably not too good, but it's stupid to envision him, for example, planning to kill FreeBSD with his carefully planned omissions. -- Anatoly Vorobey, mellon@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~mellon/ "Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly" - G.K.Chesterton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message