From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 13 22:30:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40160DD8B3D for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:30:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mitch_mrc@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic315-14.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic315-14.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.134.124]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04159137B for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:30:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mitch_mrc@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: 4Sd1hUUVM1mAtyaa22raXCD80bhSzrJWxjO2Ehd8Qxe2CyrjIQcdzehhdvsJVaM UwU6gEGNs.Fo8hY_wecJ8Kcb0juEB4b1ngkAsh.zFt4HVKMBA0Typ._NuwkFEEShOx_R3fy.JXRa QM2OWuqJDvsbmoOawy2ZIrSx2b51htSrXow9JNOfpgi3n9ddox86ZETmgqqu2l5aHW23GhcOSAOz NgWQ_E4phbWGfGGvWVlEc1lyr6XchNYfWBMGVlVp99mQUqq9cV4OTKVggYnihwRCwu6kltSLlZUB S7N.VC6ELDEDhQ4Tk2eTfvVcdrJ0az3gGY9wMiAldrYEHqNfJ6T0ys32J2TK1pvroCxQia74jxWC GK09MYCICVEQEsnK.LMnR2.33eXVt8bgKodtQgV4q3GCS2VWf3UIScihEFf1uohhYfMbt49vIBJx kKJddxYJBcz_q8s3.YcGnOHcGjZebYXDLyrKtEEBDhK00ErnzSJHhTjabQmAYn1g6mYal.7lbkeE 1IDAl8SX5U9Mi48zIOjfpP6Lk333bsUxzWw-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic315.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:30:00 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:29:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Mitch MRC To: Ernie Luzar Cc: Outback Dingo , Vladimir Botka , Mitch MRC via freebsd-questions Message-ID: <1702222199.1447540.1510612198552@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <5A085E9F.7010701@gmail.com> References: <1947620261.80174.1510389431279.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1947620261.80174.1510389431279@mail.yahoo.com> <20171111104334.7bcbb022@planb.netng.org> <20171111111143.130b5b31@planb.netng.org> <966939340.163969.1510414084521@mail.yahoo.com> <5A085E9F.7010701@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Server for web hosting and emails MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.10940 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_13_1) AppleWebKit/604.3.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/11.0.1 Safari/604.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:30:07 -0000 Thanks again. Lots of things to think about.Best,Mircea On Sunday, November 12, 2017, 4:46:07 PM GMT+2, Ernie Luzar wrote: Mitch MRC via freebsd-questions wrote: > Thank you for your replies.Is it possible to make it with dynamic IP from the ISP? Or i should ask for a fixed IP? > Mircea > Just so you know about all your options. Yes it is possible to use a dynamic ip address. It's all a matter of risk. In todays market of phone companies and cable TV providers acting as ISP's the chance of then changing your assigned dynamic IP address is very low. I have had the same dynamic IP address from my TV cable ISP for 10+ years. To reduce the risk to zero you can have your fqdn registered with one of the many "dynamic DNS" service providers. You then run a daemon on your host that watches your IP address and if it changes automatically sends a update to your "dynamic DNS" service provider changing your fqdn to point to the new IP address. Down time is less than 5 minutes. But your missing the big picture problem. Normally ISP's sell 2 account types, home users who get a single dynamic IP address with some max bandwidth per month and the business account who gets a group of static ip addresses and have bandwidth usage groups that cost more per month as bandwidth usage increases as more hosting customers are added. As I read this thread I see you are thinking about running a home based hosting service. A very small scale environment would work but if your bandwidth exceeds the max for a home user account your ISP may stop serving your account until the next month. Or even worse they may determine that you are abusing your home account contract and terminate your service all together. This will really put a negative turn on your home hosting service and paying customers will leave you asap. There are other considerations for a 24/7 service, like UPS and or a gas powered electric generator redundancy of computers and network controllers solid state hard drives and the list goes on. If your intention is something to play with at home so you can learn about how things go together, then no problem. If this is a prelude to a for profit hosting service then you better have very deep pockets because this is going to cost a lot of up front money to do it right. Maybe you should check into the affiliate program of many existing hosting companies. For a price you get a branded hosting front end that looks & feel like a real hosting service, but in reality your just selling services for the downstream provider. Good luck. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 13 22:36:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2504DDD8F3E for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:36:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mitch_mrc@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic315-14.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic315-14.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.134.124]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCAF5194F for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:36:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mitch_mrc@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: XDTuvOYVM1ki4qZ4CiwF_RvV0etsH8aV36y8GFdt_utnp.Ylv7N4bKEwxtlJY2A yyBO2h7s3Nm5tJMvrQVRRd4pJR8hGXr0ypW0mNcSiXZtkAZuFEO5TpOeNAOfI8BpRhmwpEEOOZJK XnqyxvLX9X_MLugHjjjB0B2Db7wFwi07giuESRBZM_effldr_y50oVfxEqKvgVr3drRdgEqb2N6l u041y2usk5abekzmhAOx8spLlyD8H9tFyM2BO032UN6wepFrT7CgqaRunE10jVHZPPApN_eqsXBe h9yeX16qf8ikQDDkfquCXbr5eG28zKSMlfGZqR5.cJGV67bbrzxo030tRnFSGeMjNgYfRra.JcN4 ys23M1EAwq7pzGMAvPvqnaoiiup3YSKKx.CsXq0b.hXtwidhjlgX_oUy5bRnxr617c3241BcBFj6 lOv6Q2fDefpk1u4rtur74BSVkyC.eM.VDaV5I6_HCrk0He_Q1c5uRKGENH2_t4rvTlh.Qf__IyZj ALq1Df6ORhZpJdJ2zQLg3amCOhBlnrTXeT9qMACYSnJfd Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic315.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:36:05 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:36:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Mitch MRC To: Ernie Luzar , Mitch MRC via freebsd-questions Cc: Outback Dingo , Vladimir Botka Message-ID: <1805220976.1473262.1510612564500@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1702222199.1447540.1510612198552@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1947620261.80174.1510389431279.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1947620261.80174.1510389431279@mail.yahoo.com> <20171111104334.7bcbb022@planb.netng.org> <20171111111143.130b5b31@planb.netng.org> <966939340.163969.1510414084521@mail.yahoo.com> <5A085E9F.7010701@gmail.com> <1702222199.1447540.1510612198552@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Server for web hosting and emails MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.10940 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_13_1) AppleWebKit/604.3.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/11.0.1 Safari/604.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:36:07 -0000 The intention is to move from the hosting company to my own server with 3-4= domains, due to a lack of options.=C2=A0Basically I need the web, mails an= d the possibility to use other languages and DBs than the ones provided by = the hosting servers, where any small request for new stuff, costs. M On Tuesday, November 14, 2017, 12:30:20 AM GMT+2, Mitch MRC via freebsd= -questions wrote: =20 =20 Thanks again. Lots of things to think about.Best,Mircea =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Sunday, November 12, 2017, 4:46:07 PM GMT+2, Ernie Luzar <= luzar722@gmail.com> wrote:=C2=A0=20 =20 Mitch MRC via freebsd-questions wrote: > Thank you for your replies.Is it possible to make it with dynamic IP from= the ISP? Or i should ask for a fixed IP? > Mircea >=20 Just so you know about all your options. Yes it is possible to use a dynamic ip address. It's all a matter of risk. In todays market of phone companies and cable TV providers acting as=20 ISP's the chance of then changing your assigned dynamic IP address is=20 very low. I have had the same dynamic IP address from my TV cable ISP=20 for 10+ years. To reduce the risk to zero you can have your fqdn registered with one of=20 the many "dynamic DNS" service providers. You then run a daemon on your=20 host that watches your IP address and if it changes automatically sends=20 a update to your "dynamic DNS" service provider changing your fqdn to=20 point to the new IP address. Down time is less than 5 minutes. But your missing the big picture problem. Normally ISP's sell 2 account types, home users who get a single dynamic=20 IP address with some max bandwidth per month and the business account=20 who gets a group of static ip addresses and have bandwidth usage groups=20 that cost more per month as bandwidth usage increases as more hosting=20 customers are added. As I read this thread I see you are thinking about running a home based=20 hosting service. A very small scale environment would work but if your=20 bandwidth exceeds the max for a home user account your ISP may stop=20 serving your account until the next month. Or even worse they may=20 determine that you are abusing your home account contract and terminate=20 your service all together. This will really put a negative turn on your=20 home hosting service and paying customers will leave you asap. There are other considerations for a 24/7 service, like UPS and or a gas powered electric generator redundancy of computers and network controllers solid state hard drives and the list goes on. If your intention is something to play with at home so you can learn=20 about how things go together, then no problem. If this is a prelude to a=20 for profit hosting service then you better have very deep pockets=20 because this is going to cost a lot of up front money to do it right. Maybe you should check into the affiliate program of many existing=20 hosting companies. For a price you get a branded hosting front end that=20 looks & feel like a real hosting service, but in reality your just=20 selling services for the downstream provider. 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Lots of things to think about.Best,Mircea > On Sunday, November 12, 2017, 4:46:07 PM GMT+2, Ernie Luzar > wrote: > > Mitch MRC via freebsd-questions wrote: >> Thank you for your replies.Is it possible to make it with dynamic IP from >> the ISP? Or i should ask for a fixed IP? >> Mircea >> > > Just so you know about all your options. > Yes it is possible to use a dynamic ip address. > It's all a matter of risk. > > In todays market of phone companies and cable TV providers acting as > ISP's the chance of then changing your assigned dynamic IP address is > very low. I have had the same dynamic IP address from my TV cable ISP > for 10+ years. > > To reduce the risk to zero you can have your fqdn registered with one of > the many "dynamic DNS" service providers. You then run a daemon on your > host that watches your IP address and if it changes automatically sends > a update to your "dynamic DNS" service provider changing your fqdn to > point to the new IP address. Down time is less than 5 minutes. > > But your missing the big picture problem. > > Normally ISP's sell 2 account types, home users who get a single dynamic > IP address with some max bandwidth per month and the business account > who gets a group of static ip addresses and have bandwidth usage groups > that cost more per month as bandwidth usage increases as more hosting > customers are added. > > As I read this thread I see you are thinking about running a home based > hosting service. A very small scale environment would work but if your > bandwidth exceeds the max for a home user account your ISP may stop > serving your account until the next month. Or even worse they may > determine that you are abusing your home account contract and terminate > your service all together. This will really put a negative turn on your > home hosting service and paying customers will leave you asap. > > There are other considerations for a 24/7 service, like > UPS and or a gas powered electric generator > redundancy of computers and network controllers > solid state hard drives and the list goes on. > > If your intention is something to play with at home so you can learn > about how things go together, then no problem. If this is a prelude to a > for profit hosting service then you better have very deep pockets > because this is going to cost a lot of up front money to do it right. > > Maybe you should check into the affiliate program of many existing > hosting companies. For a price you get a branded hosting front end that > looks & feel like a real hosting service, but in reality your just > selling services for the downstream provider. > > Good luck. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"