From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Tue Apr 25 22:57:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9372D504C9 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 22:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93EB618CA for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 22:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 90744D504C8; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 22:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6D1D504C7 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 22:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com) Received: from echo.brtsvcs.net (echo.brtsvcs.net [IPv6:2607:f740:c::4ae]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7700C18C9 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 22:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:1c2:1401:9956:21c:c0ff:fe7f:96ee]) by echo.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E925550005; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 22:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:fe80::7102:4df8:1f13:5c55] (unknown [IPv6:fe80::7102:4df8:1f13:5c55]) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43E3E2CA3; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Is pkg quarterly really needed? To: Mark Linimon Cc: freebsd-ports References: <58F61A8D.1030309@a1poweruser.com> <20170420052201.GC31559@lonesome.com> From: Mel Pilgrim Message-ID: <393afc86-6628-294e-5fc8-e016650e9e73@bluerosetech.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:57:41 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170420052201.GC31559@lonesome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 22:57:41 -0000 On 04/19/2017 22:22, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 04:37:05PM -0400, scratch65535@att.net wrote: >> (Right now, it's quite hard to resist the paranoid suspicion that >> maybe this crazy, anti-real-user behavior is a subtle way to kill >> freebsd altogether by driving away the non-hobbyists.) > > That's one explanation. > > The other, possible, explanation, is that the efforts of a group of > volunteers isn't adequate enough for every use case -- including your own. > > But, of course, feel free to cast aspersions wherever and whenever. We're > just machines, we have no feelings whatsoever. > > Now if no one minds, I'm going to go back to contemplate the existential > question of "why do I even bother trying to fix things". Because the work you and everyone else does on FreeBSD makes it possible for me to do the work I do for dozens of non-profits who need safe, reliable network and internet services without paying retail or being pigeonholed into an online provider's one-size product. For every scratch65535, there's one like me who doesn't have to deal with the expense of Windows servers or the increasingly black-box nature of Linux distros without also having to compile everything from scratch on the weekly. Mel, the IT admin who gets to run 11-R and -CURRENT in exchange for free books and actually helping people because she doesn't have to say things like, "I can do that, but the licensing is half your 5-year budget."