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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:02:23 +0000
From: Eivind Eklund <eivind@FreeBSD.org>
To: Scott Long <scottl@FreeBSD.org>
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On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 01:32:10AM +0000, Scott Long wrote:
> scottl      2004-11-29 01:32:10 UTC
> 
>   FreeBSD src repository
> 
>   Modified files:
>     sys/boot/i386/loader Makefile 
>   Removed files:
>     sys/boot/i386/loader loader.rc 
>   Log:
>   Disable the beastie menu.  It offends some and annoys everyone else, and I'm
>   frankly tired of the controversy.  When people ask me why FreeBSD isn't user-
>   friendly, I'll tell them that I tried.  RIP.

<armchairgeneral>
I've for a long time been thinking of the benefits of creating a "user
friendliness officer" similar to the security officer / tech advisory
board we have now.  

In other words: Give the authority to somebody to Just Decide.  As it
is, we end up with bikesheds over UI issues all the time, grumbling, and
a user interface that's the result of who shouts loudest.

We also end up with developers that are less-than-motivated to work on
anything user interface related, because we know we'll just get shouted
at no matter what we do...
</armchairgeneral>

Eivind.