From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 30 00:45:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88EA16A41F for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:45:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from linda-5.paradise.net.nz (bm-5a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.58.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5BE43D46 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:45:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (smtp-3a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.196]) by linda-5.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IM0008TFFGEHN@linda-5.paradise.net.nz> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:45:50 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (218-101-13-128.paradise.net.nz [218.101.13.128]) by smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9BD6AF0C7; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:42:54 +1200 (NZST) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:42:53 +1200 From: Mark Kirkwood In-reply-to: <20050830002051.GE1462@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> To: Matthias Buelow Message-id: <4313AB8D.4010807@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050726) References: <20050829120415.GA1462@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> <200508291836.j7TIaVEk013147@gw.catspoiler.org> <20050829185933.GB1462@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> <431362ED.9030800@mac.com> <20050829204714.GC1462@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> <43137AFB.9060304@mac.com> <20050829215613.GD1462@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> <431390A0.5080007@mac.com> <20050830002051.GE1462@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sysinstall automatic filesystem size generation. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:45:52 -0000 Matthias Buelow wrote: > (snippage...) I was > merely pointing out the inadequacy of talking about "robust > filesystems" in the context of softupdates and end-consumer harddrives. > Would you be happy if the handbook section added a caution, or referred to the section that discusses the write cache? (FWIW - I have seen Linux + ext3 systems destroyed by power failure because the admins refused to disable write caching on ATA drives - Neither journelling or softupdates is much help if the HW is kidding you about write acknowledgment). Cheers Mark