From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 21 12:02:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FD310656B6; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:02:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DE08FC2A; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3103C1FFC53; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E938D8454C; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:57:56 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Alexander Best References: <201009161742.24228.tijl@coosemans.org> <201009161619.o8GGJAmv035378@lurza.secnetix.de> <20101018155944.GA12425@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:57:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20101018155944.GA12425@freebsd.org> (Alexander Best's message of "Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:59:44 +0000") Message-ID: <868w1r92rf.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, mav@freebsd.org, Tijl Coosemans , Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: Summary: Re: Spin down HDD after disk sync or before power off X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:02:38 -0000 Alexander Best writes: > since there seems no way to distinguish between these two states in ATA(4= ) it's > probably better to leave it as it is, since doing spin downs upon reboot = might > be even worse than not doing spindowns upon shutdown. No. Where did you get that idea? To repeat what I've said before - several times - in this thread, a modern disk drive can handle hundreds of thousands of controlled unloads but only a few hundred emergency unloads. Given the choice between "never spin down" and "always spin down", the safe alternative is "always spin down". DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no