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Stacey" , Devin Teske From: Cy Schubert Message-ID: <72753F50-8810-43C1-BDDD-E541278A146F@cschubert.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfKKitkOPLZs6Y0P/MTaMN3kHc0EwlR+yhaDG+CVZ7jHDHNMfNoSQMyFwv7+Zf0We2KPH1UfWfO418C1goQ/YlqGWK4S9IEhtb1NPncF+xeYO1pQMpYHS yvVhH7UQRDIYkpXzC604Dkv3N7vnoaiKC9bah1O78UDCDbpZeU2gcBJVuldI26RvfKDuBcows1JKfKwkKImH5agubG2ydyl05K+d4IsiW3obkqe4AMjejws+ XnWTr1l1CyiaVrVLknYicgbKTZqBOX5SfruKJ3da5HAO1AG/Kh7C5ejNmK+SkPhP X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47Ych84pfZz3Gj4 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of cy.schubert@cschubert.com has no SPF policy when checking 64.59.136.137) smtp.mailfrom=cy.schubert@cschubert.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.51 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[17.125.67.70.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11,31.216.143.72.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[137.136.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.31)[ip: (-5.98), ipnet: 64.59.128.0/20(-3.08), asn: 6327(-2.38), country: CA(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 15:11:21 -0000 On December 12, 2019 6:39:05 AM PST, Warner Losh wrote: >On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 6:08 AM Lars Engels wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 12:19:01PM +0100, Julian H=2E Stacey wrote: >> > Devin Teske wrote: >> > > I???d like to announce a new utility/library for FreeBSD base >> available for review=2E >> > > >> > > https://reviews=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/D16132 >> > >> > > >> > > Preview HTML-formatted manuals: >> > > https://fraubsd=2Eorg/doc/cmb=2E1=2Ehtml >> > >> > > https://fraubsd=2Eorg/doc/cmb=2E3=2Ehtml >> > >> > >> > =2E=2E=2E etc=2E >> > >> > It cost pain & disputes forcing other code from src/ to ports/ , >> > despite which src/ has bloated=2E No more bloat please=2E >> >> It's no bloat: >> >> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 23K Dec 12 14:04 /usr/bin/cmp >> -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 29K Dec 12 14:04 >> /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/cmp=2Edebug >> -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 1=2E9K Dec 12 14:04 >/usr/share/man/man1/cmp=2E1=2Egz >> -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 151B Dec 12 14:04 >> /usr/tests/usr=2Ebin/cmp/Kyuafile >> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2=2E3K Dec 12 14:04 >> /usr/tests/usr=2Ebin/cmp/cmp_test >> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2=2E6K Dec 12 14:04 >> /usr/tests/usr=2Ebin/cmp/cmp_test2 >> >> >> Given that on embedded systems debug, kyua and man pages are usually >not >> installed, cmp(1) adds just 23 kB to the image=2E >> > >Cmb and cmp are different things=2E Cmb is not yet in the system=2E > >But I'm with Julian on this one: this hasn't been socialized, seems >auxiliary to our needs and could better be served as a port=2E There >might be >good arguments to include it, but I've not yet seen them clearly >articulated yet=2E > >Warner > >_______________________________________________ >> freebsd-hackers@freebsd=2Eorg mailing list >> https://lists=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd=2Eorg" >> >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-hackers@freebsd=2Eorg mailing list >https://lists=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd=2Eorg" Agreed=2E A good example is mergemaster(8) which started out in ports and= was subsequently moved to base=2E Also, to run our testsuite in /usr/tests one must install devel/kyua from = ports=2E I see nothing wrong with putting it in ports for now=2E It should be there= to start with=2E --=20 Pardon the typos and autocorrect, small keyboard in use=2E=20 Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: https://www=2EFreeBSD=2Eorg The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few=2E Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E