From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 05:32:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06744 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 05:32:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.double-barrel.be (mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA06739 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 05:32:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.double-barrel.be (8.9.1/8.8.8) id OAA09036; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:31:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: from ns.double-barrel.be(194.7.102.18) via SMTP by mail.double-barrel.be, id smtpdJA9034; Wed Aug 5 14:31:26 1998 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:31:23 +0200 (CEST) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" X-Sender: mvergall@ns.double-barrel.be To: Vince Vielhaber cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Install *actually* friendly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > You're missing my point. The average user who's trying FreeBSD for the > first time doesn't know it's wrong. Furthermore, the computer just booted > to the installation program from CD and is now telling the user that there > is no CD. It's not just a documentation issue. I see but this is IMHO only fixable by modularising the whole kernel and going into the same dangers Linux has gone into.namely the security riscs a modularised kernel brings with it. > > >> > >> Chris' point above about the floppy and one of the responses I've seen > >> since > >> then are a good example of what I'm typing about. Why should the poor > >> user > >> be made to suffer 'cuze it's assumed (either right or wrong) that most > >> people > >> disable the floppy in BIOS? At the very extreme, ASK THE USER don't > >> decide > >> for him/her! > > You turned that one comment from me out off proportion I said that I > > didn't leave the floppy enabled because my systems need to be able to boot > > when a problem arised and I when I'm 1000 Km away and the power goes > > down it had to recover by it self. It has happened a lot off times that > > one off my cleaners simply unpluged the ups or any other plug from the > > power suply to plug in the vacium cleaner and the afterwards simply > > reinserted the plug now my systems simply reboot when the power comes back > > on. You took a part off what I said and turned it into what you felt was > > being said. > > Here's what you said: > > ----- > >No .. I would not like to see this happen for the simple reason that I see > >that most poeple disable the floppy in bios when done installing the > >system. On some off my systems I disable and remove the floppy after > >installation to make shure no clown tampers with the data contained on > >those systems or in event off the systems going down enabling the system > >to reboot itself without having to worry that a floppy might be in the > >drive. > ----- > > Did you or did you not say that most people disable the floppy? Yes I did but I used most poeple in a way off speach. >If what you're referring to is a security issue, you should also be locking the > computer room door rather than justifying the disabling of the floppy and > documenting it. I can't lock the computer rooms door becuase off the layout off the Building. Namely poeple need to go trough the computer room to go to the bathroom. Plus I don't want to have to drive back to my office because for some reason I didn't remember if I left a floppy in a discdrive. Plus I'm allready looking into changing all the boxes I have now into one big rack mounted system wich will be hardwired to a 16Amp breaker switch so noone can pull the plug on a system. but Implementing such a strategy now would cost me 8000 USD in cases and powersuplys so at the moment I'm still stalling it a bit. Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message