From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 24 12:07:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01B116A494 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:07:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from varga.michal@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC4F13C4A7 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:07:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from varga.michal@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so147514nfb for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:07:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:organization:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rzkciXqH/7QbxdWGTj2wj56lz2IL4Rwe89Tn1sCVFTQ=; b=dTVZ6d8IC3JIuCn+UhufQ1mBUxYIovBzsIDupXurO1PCmpStE3O1FIcpvQ2veAbKIYICUTIwttJ+W2wlQ76wBTYERDxeN8Ln3rx76woIfmWTz1GqNMbjNgDaWQyahowVj5FTt2JQjUigky8CwJpyHsvNEdRjaGnncErwlcY/Z20= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:organization:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=Y5XX4Yke3r4W4MdBW38IyuX/B7j82SN3M/OJBYcQOPjCSn6GiWb0AsOcc4DO5W4sCTpukglY1h6BEGNlq7I1WKpACJcdHJHSiGbFRqmXgGO5swgs/7ZgfYVV0bJ1MtUhyLDdK0lBwVRDDcNiXq+lfkfHVbOAlkas/r38N7k5RPE= Received: by 10.86.54.3 with SMTP id c3mr395389fga.1193225987641; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.100.2? ( [89.176.79.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g28sm1175428fkg.2007.10.24.04.39.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:39:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Michal Varga To: karelrous@gyrec.cz In-Reply-To: <471F1D1B.4090007@gyrec.cz> References: <20071002164246.GA986@hades.panopticon> <20071003003329.GA78359@hades.panopticon> <20071023214838.P57575@rust.salford.ac.uk> <471F1D1B.4090007@gyrec.cz> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Stonehenge Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:39:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1193225985.981.15.camel@xenon.stonehenge.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Dmitry Marakasov , Mark Powell , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need motherboard for home fileserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:07:32 -0000 On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 12:23 +0200, Karel Rous wrote: > Mark Powell wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Dmitry Marakasov wrote: > > > > Intel CPU Pentium DualCore E2140 > > > > They are similar price to the cheapest AMD and are really just a > > Core2Duo with just 1MB cache and offical 800MHz FSB. However, they are > > the same silicon as C2D. As such these run easily at ~3GHz with > > 350-400MHz FSB all with no voltage increases, if you're into such things. > > It's a shame AMD have fallen behind Intel. Corporate crime does pay > > it seems :( > Personally I don't see any evidence about this statement in low > price solution. I use AMD for a long time and it has never as > overclockable as Intel. The first one I have found is A64 3000 which I > bought two weeks ago... > > > >> > >> Though Core 2 Duo CPUs are more expensive, > > > > See above. Possibly not as low power as an AMD solution, but a lot > > more for your money, me thinks. > I think overclocking shoudn't be understood as a feature you pay > for. It's mainly a matter of luck. Reliability (probability of crash) > and lifetime of such machines could be worse. > > Karel > When someone asks me for differences between Core 2 and AMD/64/FX/etc, I wont bother to argue anymore, I simply link this: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118296441702631 ..and let them decide on their own. (well, maybe I sometimes add that buying C2D today is a suicide, but *that* is a highly personal opinion). m.