From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 9 23:29:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9CB16A41F; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 23:29:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (vc4-2-0-87.dsl.netrack.net [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152B243D46; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 23:29:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j89NSHu5049235; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:28:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:28:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20050909.172816.112623086.imp@bsdimp.com> To: pm940@yahoo.com From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20050909222126.2215.qmail@web54010.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1126292392.11649.5.camel@realtime.exit.com> <20050909222126.2215.qmail@web54010.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (harmony.bsdimp.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:28:17 -0600 (MDT) Cc: frank@exit.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-usb@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Will USB serial ever be fixed? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 23:29:32 -0000 In message: <20050909222126.2215.qmail@web54010.mail.yahoo.com> Paul Marciano writes: : > Even to the point that it will be hard for you to : > effect change because people don't take you : > seriously. : : I don't want to effect change, I just want a working : system. If the system isn't working for you, then you're advocating a change. : If you're serious about supporting an : operating system you have to support all your uses, : even the assholes. Since I don't have usb serial hardware that's tickling the problem, I'm unmotivated to do anything about the problems. And even if I was motivated, I can't even begin to do anything about the problem without hardware. And even if I had the hardware, it has to be important to me. Either for something cool I'm hacking on, or because I get a fist full of dollars for my efforts. You asked for honesty, and I'll give you some more: You are being a jerk and acting like you are entitled to having your particular problem fixed without pitching in and helping in some way. This combination is particularly bad when faced with an open source project. It will get you nowhere but frustrated when we don't cow-tow to your demands. Have a nice day. Warner