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Date:      Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:37:20 -0700
From:      Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net>
To:        Scott Long <scottl@freebsd.org>
Cc:        arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: [Fwd: What do people think about not installing a stripped /kernel ?]
Message-ID:  <20041020213720.GB6762@odin.ac.hmc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <4176A2E9.2010801@freebsd.org>
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 11:39:53AM -0600, Scott Long wrote:
> Brooks Davis wrote:
> >On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 08:20:48PM +0300, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
> >
> >>Let me clarify it down: it is only applies to HEAD, that is, unstable=
=20
> >>branch, which can be inheretedly buggy. STABLE/RELEASE doesn't really=
=20
> >>need this feature. This dismisses the following objections:
> >
> >
> >I think it's more important in HEAD, but personally I would like to ship
> >this way.  It has the potential to vastly improve the quality of bug
> >reports.  That's not my call though.
> >
> >
> >>1. HDD size constrains: nobody really want to run unpatched HEAD on CF=
=20
> >>or the like, since with HEAD you are expected to re-compile more than=
=20
> >>often.
> >>
> >>2. / partition size: anybody running HEAD is expected to allow this=20
> >>accomodate debugging kernel.
> >>
> >>3. Additional slowdown: since it is adds up to 10 seconds (I bet that=
=20
> >>even less on a modern system) who cares? This is HEAD, so that it is=20
> >>expected to be sub-optimal performance-wise.
> >
> >
> >I seriously doubt it's measurable.  If it is, the loader is broken. :-)
> >We're talking about reading a section header and doing a seek for each
> >ELF section we don't care about (all the ones that bloat the file
> >relative to the stripped version.)
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> Actually, another possbility would be to have the kernel install target
> install the stripped kernel into /boot/kernel/kernel and the debug
> kernel into /var/kernel/kernel.debug or some similar location.

Some place in var seems like a good place to me.  We may want to bump
our default /var size a bit based on this but that's a minor detail.
The nice thing about /var/crash would be that everything you need to
debug a crash dump would be under a single hierarchy.

-- Brooks

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