Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:25:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" <rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Cc: phk@freefall.cdrom.com, mark@grondar.za, wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crypt code summary(2). Message-ID: <199506270625.XAA05754@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> In-Reply-To: <9506261847.AA28600@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 26, 95 12:47:47 pm
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> > > > Yes. It was offered on the basis that it be used to form a BSD Consortium. > > > > Well, since you are the one who always pushes the BSD Consortium, can > > you tell me how the formation of it is going :-) :-) :-0 > > BSDI seems uninterested because they feel they can simply dictate > the future of BSD because their strong historical ties to CSRG have > resulted in them being the sole recognized authorities. They also > have almost total control of the BSD commercial software effort > and therefore can dictate the ABI. See all the stuff going on in FSSTND, I don't think they are in the ``dictating'' position on that one, and are already willing to bend quite far in a cooperative effort to make this thing a reality for Linux, FreeBSD and BSDI (at least, and evidently NetBSD is just going to wait for the next draft and then decide (fools, IMHO, but what ever). > NetBSD seems uninterested because they feel they can simply dictate > the future of BSD because their porting efforts have resulted in > them being uniquely suited to taking all the architectural issues > into account in their source base. Their ABI compatability efforts > have given them access to the commercial software on each ported > platform, at least to a limited extent, and they feel they will > displace the commercial OS's. I am not allowed to speek for NetBSD, so ``no comment'' :-) > > FreeBSD seems uninterested because they feel they can simply dictate > the future of BSD because of their technological enhancements in the > area of installation, VM, and commodity hardware coverage have > resulted in them being more palletable to a larger user base. They > point to the number of messages in the FreeBSD news groups being > larger than the twice number of messages in the NetBSD and BSD > groups combined as evidence of their success. I for one, as a core team member, am *very* interested in seeing an attempt to do this. Especially in lite of the recent cooperative effort that is occuring between the Linux, BSDI, and FreeBSD camps. > Linux seems uninterested because they feel they can simply dictate > the use of Linux instead by subverting public BSD channels into Linux > advocacy groups. You will be assimilated. They have a magazine. 8-|. This is hog wash and you darn well know it. They have already agreed to adopt whole sale pretty much the BSD way of doing /usr/share, and are willing to follow *BSD in the architectual indepenedence areas. > Other than that, everyone agrees it's a good idea, but no one wants > to make it their part time job, even though it could be a paid job, > given that non-profit corporations still have paid employees. I doubt very much that it could afford to pay my normal rate, but I would do this ``part time job'' for 1/2 of my normal rate if that is what it takes to get you rolling on this. > Sort of the same as is true for a "BSD Journal" (though given the > Linux success in this area, that could go full-time easily). > > As for me: ideas aren't a problem; time to implement them all *is* a > problem. I think that time is the *whole* problem, and none of what you said is much of the problem at all. > I can think of many, many ways someone can make their > own job. On the effort vs. return scale, I'm doing close to the > maximum edge on the curve, and don't have much time for following > much else. I make intentional exceptions for things I think will > advance the state of the art in various areas, but that's more as > long term investments in the future than anything else (and the only > things most of you see are computer science related). > > > Terry Lambert > terry@cs.weber.edu > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD
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