From nobody Sat Nov 9 13:28:34 2024 X-Original-To: stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4XlxTr725rz5c8nY for ; Sat, 09 Nov 2024 13:28:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rhs.message@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x62c.google.com (mail-ej1-x62c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4XlxTq75N5z40Nm for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2024 13:28:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rhs.message@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b=bOmaN7sN; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rhs.message@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::62c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rhs.message@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com Received: by mail-ej1-x62c.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a99cc265e0aso471337466b.3 for ; Sat, 09 Nov 2024 05:28:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1731158926; x=1731763726; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ZB0FLUlftyemu+IS99oDEdfHCI4N221jbItCxjPukgo=; b=bOmaN7sNC7o+Fvo4U21EGUhxHmGMR9I0n6WhENH3PKa3wSn+9v5jNPYaBcvyUsjLsZ aK22LAY9PKTg4spg8rGljHik/5x+v6gzLgxLoTIICwNX4+Vxoltnjhbb5UKGR2e7oKQH Ha9IsFy/LN6KrCQxrhyEMxw2e6ofFbi3NF9ZHcVWnQWkjrmGKmY/RhQiN62u4138ZJeU LGuGEiacw2f+R4U2nmH8UsZbjsywJ1Sw3NpAfudg3XJlN5q+kKfaZ7T5GbGtKboyWs+D SOiVz2hyiJlqyqPxcWaOCZEMCsVX7DDxKNHKtSNRQE1Dk0yT5Pww+2l4DEu8zxQTAj3t X4ew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1731158926; x=1731763726; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=ZB0FLUlftyemu+IS99oDEdfHCI4N221jbItCxjPukgo=; b=GciDIm+SrpQh5V8+P5OT9SmFpCasSJJVaF+J2w6KH52+4uQ50zBo+f+iJoFYI62f/w +nuMRqR62BKxcdxHkOWJt3etkeBq2TIstJDtWDHk0JwJPHy247mGWsUvtuCSEP+QY6Oa rdRIl+NQZiU636JrdGem313oiTmEULteUO+Mru27dFyrTNQsCS3TN56giaeF3em9A8O7 Ln2D5GSNjy7QpQwOTH/gMCa4UVxtvZ8vNuNEQIm9mKMCTSxTVYIu6truM1Ms6CPonu1T rswTGfdBq+y64JXkS1X2r2v45OpRdGGAypz+WpNZcQBeorEpm658G1SF37ofgBFekSiD stDA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz2VAlN5XaEi0P//vdCUa7ykpgWrxWvP9zuhThVaPpn4hhTUWug 0kFjgrT1DtemGPPg1gXrgv8YXJNNQjUWN78w9AWNgKGu0/bty9oz3vQGNVuaNElhdTqcFcJr1rP tbNKRV104k3Zozt8FEnnjIN217PQxWQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFVDmlBzsUH1QrCxySeA+IXPQXvLibqlrJFoD9NrTx3rJ8KNjG2dA1n4mwnLnBis+/dGmDSryjQOmiODhqI/U8= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:c112:b0:a9e:7ca7:78b1 with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a9eeff0ea38mr613883666b.23.1731158926179; Sat, 09 Nov 2024 05:28:46 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <087cf5ee-186a-41ee-93ed-154588964d41@smo.de> <58157db8-7af9-41cd-9fa1-5f9677878f89@nomadlogic.org> In-Reply-To: <58157db8-7af9-41cd-9fa1-5f9677878f89@nomadlogic.org> From: Richard Susgin Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2024 08:28:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Firefox and Thunderbird freeze system causing a reboot To: Pete Wright Cc: stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d842bd06267ad81b" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.98 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.978]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[stable@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[stable@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62c:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4XlxTq75N5z40Nm X-Spamd-Bar: --- --000000000000d842bd06267ad81b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello, curious situation with Mozilla? I am not developing or debugging at the moment but merely just using. Last week i updated from FreeBSD13.1 to 13.4. Everything working in 13.1 but my FireFox so outdated it was being rejected. After installing everything from packaging and getting Xorg working everything seemed fine. XFCE installed and ran with a few tweaks. Both FF and Thunderbird would not start unless safe mode was invoked. I disabled composting in both and they start and work perfectly sans acceleration. So after checking around i find numerous posts about failing graphics stacks not being able to connect. This may not affect u but it is definitely a thing. Is this the end of Xorg and should we be using wayland? Rick On Thu, Nov 7, 2024, 5:58 PM Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 11/7/24 14:19, Philipp Ost wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I have a curious situation with my system since updating to 14.2-STABLE > on > > Tuesday, 5.11.'24: both Firefox and Thunderbird cause the system to > freeze > > which then triggers and automatic reboot. This doesn't happen > immediately, > > though. It takes at most 2:15 minutes until this freeze and reboot cycle > > happens. No user-interaction is taking place during that time. > > > > The machine is running FreeBSD 14.2-STABLE stable/14-n269500- > > cdffbea57c0d amd64. > > Firefox is at version firefox-132.0.1_2,2 and Thunderbird at > > thunderbird-128.4.1_1. > > > > Other gtk3-based programs do not show this behaviour, i.e., Inkscape, > > Darktable, GIMP, EOG, Filezilla, Gnumeric. > > > > I (re-)built both Firefox and Thunderbird with debugging symbols. Console > > output of both Firefox and Thunderbird (when being started from an xterm) > > can be found here: > > philippost.de/firefox-debug-console-output > > philippost.de/thunderbird-debug-console-output > > > > In addition, I tried running them under truss(1), but from skimming > through > > both logs nothing immediately stood out at what could cause this. > > > > Also, there's nothing to be found in the logs at all. > > > > Did anyone else observed this? How do I go about debugging this? > > > > I am at a loss at how to proceed and appreaciate any help in trying to > > figure this out. > > I use both firefox and thunderbird pretty heavily on my workstation > (14.1) and laptop (current) and have not had any issues. a couple > thoughts though to help you debug this: > > 1. maybe run a memory test and check the SMART status of your disk(s). > i've seen behavior like this with flaky hardware in the past, and both > of those apps are extremely memory hungry > > 2. are you getting core's after rebuilding debug builds? if so what > does backtrace show? > > 3. is this a low memory system? when i was debugging a memory leak in > firefox a while ago i wrote a wrapper that invoked it via limits(1). > > > -pete > > -- > Pete Wright > pete@nomadlogic.org > > > --000000000000d842bd06267ad81b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello, curious situation with Mozilla?=C2=A0 I am not develo= ping or debugging at the moment but merely just using. Last week i updated = from FreeBSD13.1 to 13.4. Everything working in 13.1 but my FireFox so outd= ated it was being rejected. After installing everything from packaging and = getting Xorg working everything seemed fine. XFCE installed and ran with a = few tweaks. Both FF and Thunderbird would not start unless safe mode was in= voked. I disabled composting in both and they start and work perfectly sans= acceleration. So after checking around i find numerous posts about failing= graphics stacks not being able to connect. This may not affect u but it is= definitely a thing.
Is this the end of Xorg and should we be using wayland?
Rick


On Thu= , Nov 7, 2024, 5:58 PM Pete Wright <pete@nomadlogic.org> wrote:


On 11/7/24 14:19, Philipp Ost wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have a curious situation with my system since updating to 14.2-STABL= E on
> Tuesday, 5.11.'24: both Firefox and Thunderbird cause the system t= o freeze
> which then triggers and automatic reboot. This doesn't happen imme= diately,
> though. It takes at most 2:15 minutes until this freeze and reboot cyc= le
> happens. No user-interaction is taking place during that time.
>
> The machine is running FreeBSD 14.2-STABLE stable/14-n269500-
> cdffbea57c0d amd64.
> Firefox is at version firefox-132.0.1_2,2 and Thunderbird at
> thunderbird-128.4.1_1.
>
> Other gtk3-based programs do not show this behaviour, i.e., Inkscape,<= br> > Darktable, GIMP, EOG, Filezilla, Gnumeric.
>
> I (re-)built both Firefox and Thunderbird with debugging symbols. Cons= ole
> output of both Firefox and Thunderbird (when being started from an xte= rm)
> can be found here:
> philippost.de/firefox-debug-console= -output
> philippost.de/thunderbird-debu= g-console-output
>
> In addition, I tried running them under truss(1), but from skimming th= rough
> both logs nothing immediately stood out at what could cause this.
>
> Also, there's nothing to be found in the logs at all.
>
> Did anyone else observed this? How do I go about debugging this?
>
> I am at a loss at how to proceed and appreaciate any help in trying to=
> figure this out.

I use both firefox and thunderbird pretty heavily on my workstation
(14.1) and laptop (current) and have not had any issues.=C2=A0 a couple thoughts though to help you debug this:

1. maybe run a memory test and check the SMART status of your disk(s).
i've seen behavior like this with flaky hardware in the past, and both =
of those apps are extremely memory hungry

2. are you getting core's after rebuilding debug builds?=C2=A0 if so wh= at
does backtrace show?

3. is this a low memory system?=C2=A0 when i was debugging a memory leak in=
firefox a while ago i wrote a wrapper that invoked it via limits(1).


-pete

--
Pete Wright
pete@nomadlogic.org


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