From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 10 11:43:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F1216A420 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:43:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27F143D48 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:43:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 31206 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 22:43:27 +1100 Received: from 203-166-246-218.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (203.166.246.218) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 22:43:26 +1100 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:43:21 +1100 From: Norberto Meijome To: Olivier Nicole Message-ID: <20060310224321.0e004d89@localhost> In-Reply-To: <200603100211.k2A2BmwQ022377@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060308211347.02261468@broadpark.no> <200603100137.k2A1bpN0021581@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <96341e070603091803l111d1b10ie16d5ddc50aca89@mail.gmail.com> <200603100211.k2A2BmwQ022377@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.0.0 (GTK+ 2.8.12; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open Source and 3rd world countries X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:43:28 -0000 On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:11:48 +0700 (ICT) Olivier Nicole wrote: > > Sorry Nicole, but here in Brazil our government does not use pirated > > software, and yes, they're changing to Open Source. > > That only means Brazil is not much a 3rd world country anymore... Given that the communist block has fallen, I would say that the concept of "3rd world countries" is rather obsolete, dont you think? :) > > guess this may be coming to an end, or not expanding, since the new > > "cheap" computer for the poor people comes with Free Software. > > Yeah, sure, government did the same here in Thailand, cheap PC at $250 > with Linux, and every body did installed Windows on it as soon as they > get home :) Because Free Software was simply not working and that was > not what they used at school, in the internet cafe and such, there > were not the latest and coolest games... FWIW, I was born and raised in Argentina, and moved to Australia when I was 23. I can tell you that as far as 1994 open source was already making strides in the environments you usually relate to OSS (universities, etc), which I think is somewhat in line with the rest of the world. By 1998 I was personally involved in 3 companies (private tertiary education (linux) and web hosting (linux and freebsd) ) using open source (linux and linux + freebsd, respectively). I then moved to Sydney, and found out that things in the "first, Anglo Saxon / Commonwealth world" were somewhat different...but not as much as one would expect. eg.: - Individuals still install their WindowsXP / Office / others CD from a friend (which is actually a copied CD from god knows where) - just like in Argentina. - Individuals couldnt care less about it - just like in Argentina - Companies still will install their MS Windows OS from a copied CD, or knowingly use more licenses than they are entitled to. The rate of this behaviour is higher in Argentina than in Australia, but I suspect it's mainly because 1 single license of, say, Windows XP can be as much as a whole month's salary in AR, whilst in AU it may be a week's. So, yes, I agree that opensource makes a huge difference in quality (mainly) and cost (somewhat, because those who wont buy the software wouldnt do it anyway), but as Brazil, Germany, France and so many other countries are showing , the best way (IMHO) to foster OSS is to get the goverment and education instutions to lead the way by spending wisely the tax payers $. And I agree with Giorgios post - talk to the people in the countries...or go spend some time there - it's far more complex than you think. Sorry for the /rant :) Best regards, Beto