From nobody Sat Mar 19 20:35:50 2022 X-Original-To: stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776C81A35604 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2022 20:35:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe33.google.com (mail-vs1-xe33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e33]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KLXhS3Cpfz3RJD for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2022 20:35:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe33.google.com with SMTP id u198so4557408vsu.10 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:35:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=pFdd5L1ftsfBykTNZKXsyouNSggAVWDwDiAwyrTHlK8=; b=VCLz/TSQ0FWcGf2G4g8BG89MdfRZg+oVTOkfdvxXBVQz35wx4iWb8q+1b5cVbguwiB GKA1FY1YkIpiErSmXJDKfJl7N8u+DQYzbuh4RKKC47FdT/t/PH+BhpmQVf+HRa5odb4+ v8f30Zr6ptOq6SaUy5JvMaEjfOOBL10+zGLDQYxRAgwVjUmzAWgjwcYwTii4c1IO72El UgDzAQ5of3YyxCyaVJnR+OCthHzGKmBco4awGdP8E1VeBUX53Rk4jgaJXKFG7dSKDaMm pU8jOhvfXw5z5TyA98zkczic9tlfnjIU+MelhCnnKORjkx6YNw0ty4kE0mCRlse5Rkg+ i3Sg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=pFdd5L1ftsfBykTNZKXsyouNSggAVWDwDiAwyrTHlK8=; b=y8wyAux8BqSXC4m5bbwyIBy8k9Ug0PbI3/zMTKahIaueew+U1dg64i48Muj5x7zcmM Xg9DZaZGdR0lNmnnw+f3Ao48g4kM5UdYRwO6Rysex+wyBZbdQxpLTyrHumNqQjfYCwnP TiNBj7EdbKLoa77f4oKXjKmdpEnCOHdk+/t7U/zUHiY66AhcVgRoA9xkltAnDz52Itov lG5Nn+aLwMspFnChgx4HHgpkehCH82+Sja6bdFH+2kn825CLGwku0v0GmDaMw9LibzQ+ 2wBQdUc2osax5N3WHIta1VoFQ7KFQM9XNdBn49GT4EyquqxDlYDhW1y5+C4FY4fKgglr tUow== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530IBarjQLk6O+HvsEyCfTcDzckMNtytPXj7oUOF5CV5AVJ8dg2n zBQZ5ANFg5pzCPSBpBqzTOLn/wWwPgp7BzSURjmwV3AXrqXu2uixXfs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxeenaOV1sBiO8TVPHRaJUR/s/sgJ3kc0vXklop77f5za1TXlCvUpKcPKhaGJM2nX/backuSwM2gP2XaqS3eYg= X-Received: by 2002:a67:3c2:0:b0:324:eb38:5ddc with SMTP id 185-20020a6703c2000000b00324eb385ddcmr1706506vsd.51.1647722151512; Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:35:51 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:612c:14c1:b0:2a2:beee:4b76 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:35:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <78e5e42da03d9a65bf820249749f36a5e9c0e119.camel@anduin.net> References: <78e5e42da03d9a65bf820249749f36a5e9c0e119.camel@anduin.net> From: grarpamp Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 16:35:50 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Deprecating ISA sound cards To: stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KLXhS3Cpfz3RJD X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b="VCLz/TSQ"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of grarpamp@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=grarpamp@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.49 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.49)[-0.490]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20210112]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[stable@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::e33:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[stable]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N > old hardware. :) Technically RELENG_4 is open for committers hobbyists museums projects etc who like to continue supporting the Pentium+ISA platform and all its pluggable hardware. And there's lots of hardware that can [still, physically] plug into 64-bit platforms running HEAD... (which is likely to exist for decades to come, barring some totally new revolutionary instruction arch platform paradigm shift adoption)... that do not have existing or working or good drivers. Hard to conceive that anyone's at least working driver modules could not be accepted into ports as part of some sort of new "legacy" hardware enthusiasts sub-project. Opportunity exists to organize and incorporate such framework, crowdfund elements, collect and send hardware, etc. Have fun :)