From owner-freebsd-java Fri Feb 19 20:39:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 109F110E83 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:39:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 19031 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Feb 1999 04:39:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:39:30 -0500 (EST) From: Vince Vielhaber To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: somewhat new to java questions In-Reply-To: <36CE170E.3F11D82D@statcan.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Mike Jeays wrote: > I get the feeling that the Java Emperor has no clothes. > > The amount of code you need to write to do almost anything > in terms of a GUI implementation in Java seems to be > much larger and harder to write and understand than in > TK/TCL. This example of a MessageBox seems quite intimidating! > > Furthermore, the performance seems much worse, seen from > my perspective of FreeBSD, Java 1.1 and Swing compared with > TK/TCL 8.0. > > And inter-platform compatibility, at least between Unix and > Windows, seems about equivalent. > > What am I missing? (No, its not a troll. I am genuinely puzzled.) The dilemna I'm looking at (which is solved with Java) is something that will safely take credit card info and move it to another machine. While it's true that I can get a secure web server and a certificate, lets face it.. Someone's smokin dope if they think a new business is gonna have the cash and overhead to implement such a thing. My choices were the linux e-commerce thing for $100 (which I almost did but the folks at RedHat couldn't seem to send me a copy of the license), going illegal and running apache-ssl without the license, getting the license from RSA (at US$10K) or taking the advise of an old professor that had a question that we were to always ask ourselves before answering, "Can I do it better?". The only palletable answer was, "Yes, I can do it better". So I wrote a java applet that uses noone's copyrighted, patented, pay-me-to-use-it encryption schemes and appears to be secure enuf to use. Right now the only requirement is that Netscape 4.5 be used. One day I hope to be able to release it so everyone can benefit. Thanks to all who've had suggestions, whether I was able to use 'em or not. Now the challenge to the Java Community is to write something save, secure, reusable, distributable, and small that it will help to promote the little guy put his business on the web. I also wrote a shopping cart program. As soon as the bugs are found and squished, that will be released with the same hopes in mind. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include TEAM-OS2 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message