From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Thu Oct 4 15:46:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1936E10AF7A1; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 15:46:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F74D74D96; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 15:46:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id 85pBgMWaIwyxU85pCgBVAw; Thu, 04 Oct 2018 09:46:04 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=NPJhBHyg c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=smKx5t2vBNcA:10 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=mWm0YDQeuCclk_H0j58A:9 a=8wXVE3Uy4fUhRt1V:21 a=4jGVw-z9EJOV3jKp:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=_Tt1_Y8nLLjDiYd8RLkA:9 a=g1D6cVUl-6yD_9a0:21 a=-9_FuqygaB4bePlk:21 a=AkvTBx0Z0YGVrdNs:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from [10.168.101.253] (S0106788a207e2972.gv.shawcable.net [70.66.154.233]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 79EA3154E; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 08:47:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Cy Schubert Subject: RE: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 08:46:03 -0700 To: Poul-Henning Kamp , Warner Losh CC: Alexey Dokuchaev , Brooks Davis , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List , FreeBSD Net , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org" Message-Id: <20181004154744.79EA3154E@spqr.komquats.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfKNMz4m05A6D71Kv19EkrViQQ3A97TBLwVkBHqLUFZnBEkFSrX1z0L1CedVgK4bAIBAhDyuJEetEzBzEg3rYg1A4IAkDmCRxJdqgzkcF8CPWn30MIPkF /AD8VuppSq2LpG6TsXuXcMPlFRqom3Q9XlEl9zgHLPwnEsl6vKhRrrbjzssD4XslX5pyJ0O6G99igClJzMfHpAcbtMqSfq8R+mPYN1vRNUePyV+mO58w8sPX aSb5P8owLANw7TBYwi1iKRoMfRe5bqi/gm7BNFTyllumWBa+zGzA2Fv9rCm+24z4X5bLCwR/PQTfRwiyrj+cotWVUpZDMd/EU+eo+vPhtHsNys0IuW4L/h2x 8ZQr5AfepWncRT7VUEHhtSSe2+n81g== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 15:46:13 -0000 I'm willing to help out with rl(4) as I have one here. Others, not schedule= d for removal, that I can help one way or another are are NICs, including w= ireless, currently installed here. --- Sent using a tiny phone keyboard. Apologies for any typos and autocorrect. Also, this old phone only supports top post. Apologies. Cy Schubert or The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few. --- -----Original Message----- From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: 04/10/2018 07:03 To: Warner Losh Cc: Alexey Dokuchaev; Brooks Davis; FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List; FreeBSD Ne= t; freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers -------- In message , Warner Losh writes: >Most of these drivers have had dozens or hundreds of commits each over the >years to keep up with the API changes. This acts as a tax on innovation >because it's such a pain in the back side to change all the drivers in the >tree. As one who has been there, a couple of times: SECONDED! It is particular unpleasant when you have no way to test the changes. --=20 Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe =20 Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. _______________________________________________ freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"