From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 21:37:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D52516A4D2; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:37:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from arginine.spc.org (arginine.spc.org [195.206.69.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E577D4400B; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:36:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bms@spc.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E68DE6520E; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 04:26:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from arginine.spc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (arginine.spc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07443-06-4; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 04:26:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from saboteur.dek.spc.org (unknown [82.147.19.91]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B7C651F4; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 04:26:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: by saboteur.dek.spc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 860DD37; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 04:26:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 04:26:35 +0000 From: Bruce M Simpson To: Brad Knowles Message-ID: <20031123042635.GB677@saboteur.dek.spc.org> Mail-Followup-To: Brad Knowles , obrien@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Tim Kientzle References: <3FBE8D92.6080205@acm.org> <20031123012222.GB11523@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: Tim Kientzle Subject: Re: HEADS UP: /bin and /sbin are now dynamically linked X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 05:37:01 -0000 On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 02:42:58AM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 5:22 PM -0800 2003/11/22, David O'Brien wrote: > > > Please, NO. There wasn't an FTP client available for this type of > > recovery pre-/rescue, there shouldn't be one now. > > Why? Why cut your nose off to spite your face? Even though this > capability may not have existed before, why shouldn't we have it now? I think David has valid concerns here about feeping creaturism. fetch has a whole load of library dependencies which go with it, making it unsuitable for inclusion in /rescue in the base system. If you want access to fetch early on in this way, you could make a local branch and maintain the change for your own site, or you could boot from a FreeBSD live CD, or use sysinstall from the installation CD to install a package. I don't see fetch as a requirement for diskless clients. Regards, BMS