Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:18:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling <brennan@offwhite.net> To: Danny <dannyh@idx.com.au> Cc: Gustavo Vieira Goncalves Coelho Rios <kernel@tdnet.com.br>, Salvo Bartolotta <bartequi@neomedia.it>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: low cost consultant (?) Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10005050916040.58641-100000@home.offwhite.net> In-Reply-To: <00050617350100.00645@freebsd.freebsd.org>
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I agree that FreeBSD should not lose focus as a server OS, but if there were a larger user base we would find more hardware vendors working for FreeBSD users. I wish that every autoloader tape drive out there had a FreeBSD driver, but they hardly ever support FreeBSD. The last time I had to use a nice new autoloader tape drive I had to use Linux because it happened to have support while FreeBSD did not. It is all about the numbers for hardware vendors. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.greasydaemon.com | www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: Living on Earth may be expensive, but it includes an annual free trip around the Sun. On Sat, 6 May 2000, Danny wrote: > I aggree 100%. I do not want FreeBSD to loose the focus. > FreeBSD is a server OS > > > > On Fri, 05 May 2000, Gustavo Vieira Goncalves Coelho Rios wrote: > > Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > > > > > Yes, I have heard the argument that FreeBSD is a developers OS and that > > > sound and multimedia are only secondary concerns, but that does not mean > > > users should suffer. In fact, the FreeBSD project should embrace users > > > and help them in as many ways as possible in hopes that the user base will > > > grow. > > > > Why do you think having a big user base is good ? > > Better yet: Good for whom? > > > > > > > Why does Sun officially support a JDK for Linux and not FreeBSD? It is > > > pure numbers. If there were more people using FreeBSD as a user machine > > > and as a development machine Sun and other companies would take notice and > > > start supporting FreeBSD. It comes back to help the developers. > > > > *BSD is not a desktop OS (i hope the core team keep trying to get the > > best possible OS for the server, not the desktop). > > > > The main questions is: does having dozens of user makes a OS better? I > > think no. > > Windows have million of user! Is it better that UNIX? I don't really > > have a answer for that, but i would not enjoy seeing BSD change its > > focus! > > > > > > > It is inevitable that FreeBSD will become popular along with Linux because > > > it is a solid system. It uses advanced technology to do things other > > > systems cannot, but while it does great things as a server, it can also do > > > the simple things like autodetect video and audio so that setup is much > > > easier. > > > > Do you wanna do something very well? Keep your self focused in ONLY one > > thing! DONT try to do everytinhg for every one. MS tries to write the > > best OS for every one! It's clear impossible! Each kind of user have > > different kind of needs. If your are developing a software, try not to > > lose your focus (this is requirement for success: DONT try to please > > every one, never). > > > > > > > It is so easy to set up most things in FreeBSD but video and audio are > > > still difficult. Installing most of the recent Linux distros allows the > > > video and audio to be configured automatically. The FreeBSD project does > > > not have to create userland applications beyond getting the multimedia > > > systems working because projects like Gnome and KDE are doing really well > > > in that regard. It would be nice if FreeBSD/BSDi just met them halfway. > > > > > > Setting up things in *BSD is easy, really easier than linux. > > When you have automatically actions perfomed, you are in the risk of > > having some thing performed that's not what you want (Do you know the > > PNP (Plug-And-Pray) devices? I personally dont like than). > > I like BSD, cause it does not try to guess what i want to do. I have to > > tell it what have to be done. It's a great thing, i am in the control, > > Not the OS. > > > > > (It is regretful these things are becoming so commercial) > > > > I don't like the approach Linux is having know. I stopped using it since > > think started getting too crazy. > > People do not see that linux is just a kernel, that's why there is so > > many different environments. > > > > > And if FreeBSD does not tackle these user concerns seriously, what is > > > going to stop someone from using FreeBSD and go to Darwin or MacOS X which > > > is based on FreeBSD 3.2 but yet will support rich multimedia? What > > > happens when FreeBSD loses it's user base instead of growing it? > > > > > > FreeBSD needs users to stay strong. > > > > No, it DOES not! All it does is "knownledgeable" (sorry for this word, i > > have no a good english. but i think you can see what i meant) user, > > i.e., ones with experience on programming, networks, etc... > > Remenber, FreeBSD employs the slogan "The Power to server" the "Where to > > want to go today" or "The beautyfull GUI to smart users" or things like > > that. > > > > > > These are MHO, not necessary the truth (once i have no a GREAT > > experience with Free), so please, don't take me wrong. > > > > []'s > > > > -- > > "Sometimes I worry about being a success in a mediocre world." > > -- Lily Tomlin > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > -- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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