From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 15 17:06:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA01926 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01921 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA08845; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:05:24 -0700 (PDT) To: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu cc: molter@logic.it, adrian@obiwan.psinet.net.au, vas@vas.tomsk.su, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: To UNIX or not to UNIX ;-). Was: PPP problems. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:21:13 EDT." <199706152321.TAA14966@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:05:24 -0700 Message-ID: <8841.866419524@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > * Goals (roughly by importance) > [ some points, many of which have been covered in previous discussion ] This is all well and good, and we've been here before several times over the years, but who is going to do the work? Who is going to write all this nifty GUI stuff which takes over the job done by all of Windows' nifty GUI stuff for installing and configuring the system? You? :-) Seriously, we've come to this stage not once but several times, and if we've proven anything by the exercise it's that everyone knows just what UNIX needs to succeed, but when it comes down to "OK, so who will champion this? Who will code up a cohesive framework for others to follow?" those with the biggest ideas all retreat back into their corners mumbling things about lacking either time or skill. What stops FreeBSD from being the next NeXTStep is not a crisis of ideas, it's a crisis of coders. Somebody needs to *build* the better mousetrap before people will come - simply describing the mousetrap to your audience and telling everyone how good it would be/is going to be someday is the same mistake that Apple made. What made NeXT popular is that they understood the need for outright deeds, not words! :) Jordan