From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 5 22: 9:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from alex.intersurf.net (alex.intersurf.net [216.115.129.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AC55C37B4C5 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 22:09:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 86852 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2000 00:09:44 -0600 Received: from mdm-143-22.dialup.intersurf.com (HELO win2k) (216.115.143.22) by alex.intersurf.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 2000 00:09:44 -0600 Message-ID: <00b801c047b8$19dd1e10$0101a8c0@win2k> From: "Jeremy Falcon" To: "John Galt" , "James G. Jones" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Unix Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 00:09:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Technically speaking, FreeBSD is referred to as a UNIX-like OS. That is because of The Open Group trademark (which is stupid in the first place). That's like trademarking the word "bed". If I wrap a weiner in wheat bread instead of a white bread hotdog bun, do you not consider that a hotdog as well? What about McDonalds?. They use soy as a filler in their products. Do you not consider those hamburgers either? I bet you still call them hamburgers. Sure Bell Labs (div. of AT&T) created the first UNIX, but AT&T licensed the source because of a DOJ injunction prohibiting them to sell software. The code got out and was studied and used in other implementations. Berkley created alot of utils that became standard for UNIX. 4.4BSD-Lite had very little AT&T source, but that doesn't mean it's not UNIX. For that matter, UNIX was orignally written in Assembly but for portability reasons it was rewritten in C. So basically, UNIX is not UNIX according to your beliefs. The C source was based on the Assembly source, but it's not really the "same" source, it was rewritten. Let's take the upcoming Perl 6. It will be a complete rewrite and not based on the Perl 5 source code. According to your beliefs, Perl 6 would not really be Perl because Perl 6 is not based on the source of Perl 5. I'll still call it Perl, however. The source is not important. What's important is the OS, and FreeBSD has UNIX written all over it! BTW, if James is just getting started he may want to download an ISO instead... ftp://ftp.freesoftware.com/.0/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ ftp://ftp.freesoftware.com/.0/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/ISO-IMAGES/ Jeremy Falcon "Waiting to be bashed." ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Galt" To: "James G. Jones" Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:32 PM Subject: Re: Unix > > http://www.sco.com/offers/ancient.html > > BSD is NOT Unix, nor has it been since the AT&T suit. Unix is a > trademark, and a BSD variant is not very likely to get rights to use > it... > > The FreeBSD source is at: > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable/src > > > > On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, James G. Jones wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > I am looking for a copy of unix for study. Can you provide me with a link so I can download it. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > -- > Armageddon means never having to say you're sorry. > > Who is John Galt? galt@inconnu.isu.edu, that's who! > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message