From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 1 12:40:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA34C16A4D0 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:40:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0DE43D2F for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:40:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@tasonline.com) Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([141.157.44.31]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040301204037.HPSV18566.out011.verizon.net@[192.168.1.47]> for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:40:37 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: Matt Jarjoura Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:40:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [141.157.44.31] at Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:40:37 -0600 Subject: my thoughts on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 20:40:38 -0000 Hello, Again, repeating on a message from an earlier email I sent out on the list... if RedHat and SUSE are good enough that ISPs are using them, instead of saying how silly ISPs are to turn their heads away from FreeBSD, we NEED to be looking at what exactly RedHat & SUSE have that FreeBSD doesn't. I doubt it's the cushy corporate backing, although Novel will certainly have the inroads necessary to see a lot of old Unix machines replaced with their SUSE/Novel boxes. A) RedHat and SUSE both have GUI installers. -- Honestly, how important is it that FreeBSD remain a TUI-only menu based installation-?? Sure it's simple, but screen-shots of it sure don't appear appetizing to ISPs in a 2 week window. B) RH/SUSE both have great upgrade engines. -- I forget the command line program in FreeBSD that allows you merge old settings w/ the new settings. C) The FreeBSD Foundation -- Great job w/ releasing Java, but I am sure they can pull a lot more strings to start hiring UI Research Developers and release their findings under a similar BSD license. My last thought here... I am not saying FreeBSD should be focused on Desktop users, but server admins are starting to get a lot more "desktop-like" features from Mac OS X Server, Win 2k3, even RH and SUSE. Bandwidth for running X11 over SSH isn't a problem like it used to be. Just some stuff to keep open for discussion. -Matt