From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 17 17:36:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21546106564A for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:36:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34EE8FC16 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:36:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhq12 with SMTP id hq12so2569712wib.13 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.100.200 with SMTP id fa8mr28220891wib.8.1326821804756; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fy5sm46243242wib.7.2012.01.17.09.36.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:36:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F15B1AA.4020400@my.gd> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:36:42 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:36:46 -0000 On 1/17/12 4:39 PM, Mark Felder wrote: > Why is everyone so afraid of running -STABLE? Plenty of stuff gets > MFC'd. Yeah, I agree -- running -RELEASE is difficult. Hell, it's > frustrating to us that VMWare only supports -RELEASE and it took until > ESX 5 to officially support 8.2! > > More releases / snapshots of -STABLE helps people on physical servers, > but anyone who runs VMs on Xen or VMWare won't get any support for those > versions because they didn't go through the QA process yet. FreeBSD is > increasingly becoming a third world citizen thanks to virtualization > efforts being focused on Linux, so I feel that more frequent releases > won't help as many people as you think. > Running FBSD in a *production* environment means you want something stable and tested. -STABLE does not fulfill the requirements I'm afraid. We've had to downgrade some boxes from 8.2-STABLE to -RELEASE here.