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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 4c02dd316907138245bde97e6be3ac82; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 15:00:56 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.300.87.4.3\)) Subject: Re: Switching release media dist sets to .tzst (tar + zstd)? From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 07:00:41 -0800 Cc: FreeBSD Current Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Ed Maste X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.300.87.4.3) X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Y9Tt36PkWz50wc X-Spamd-Bar: ---- On Dec 14, 2024, at 06:21, Ed Maste wrote: > On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 at 19:42, Mark Millard wrote: >>=20 >> I tend to use https://artifact.ci.freebsd.org/snapshot/*/*/*/*/*.txz >> for crude bisecting without needing to do builds. >>=20 >> Are you saying that such will no longer be a possibility? (This is >> not a which-compression-style question.) >=20 > With pkgbase these distribution sets are not used by the installer, so > they will no longer be required for their original purpose. >=20 > It may be that there are a sufficient number of other use cases (like > yours) that we still build them anyway, for some time. I would imagine > most use cases can also switch to pkgbase packages, though. If it's > different kernels you're looking to test it will be straightforward to > use the kernel packages instead. At least currently, there is no history of PkgBase builds available, for download, just the most recent of of latest and weekly. Would artifact.ci.freebsd.org be replaced = with a source of PkgBase build history that would allow the approximate bisecting of pre-built materials? Without the history, activity like bisecting would require doing the builds, making things take much much longer for various platform instances that take notable time to do builds. >> I've also used the likes of the below with kgdb to look at reported >> backtraces from problems that have been reported --for versions of >> FreeBSD that I do not have a boot environment for. (Not wanting to >> do a normal install on other media and to boot/configure it --just >> to look around.) >>=20 >> = http://ftp3.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/14.2-RELEASE/kernel.txz= >> = http://ftp3.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/14.2-RELEASE/kernel-dbg= .txz >> = http://ftp3.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/14.2-RELEASE/src.txz >>=20 >> (But there is no equivalent for patch revisions of *.*-RELEASE 's .) >>=20 >> = http://ftp3.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/arm64/13.4-STABLE/kernel.txz= >> = http://ftp3.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/arm64/13.4-STABLE/kernel-dbg= .txz >> = http://ftp3.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/arm64/13.4-STABLE/src.txz >>=20 >> Similar question for those: no longer to be possible? >=20 > The same applies to these ones - they won't be needed after moving to > pkgbase, but I imagine we could still build them if they're being used > for other purposes. base_release_* will exist, also spanning patches. I've not yet tested if these are binary matches to the official non-PkgBase builds from http://ftp3.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ such that, say, kernel backtrace addresses are usable across the types of builds. (Sort of a reproducibility criteria.) base_weekly is like http://ftp3.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/ , other than having no history prior to the most recent base_weekly as things are. Lack of history also has issues when it turns out that base_latest is or base_weekly is broken/unusable. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com