From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 22 19:09:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E3E1092628 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2018 19:09:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D87E85758 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2018 19:09:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1534964989; x=1537556989; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=MDnibeWW52eK0a3Z5EgVWYvftoedG2//q++3+pOVIqw=; b=K63Cx5cyyh/uO0gJ7iUyGX3CUDEjf2hNpp+DX8yy6jXBMdWbrOwOK0SB2JILHi50zPl8XnmD/7B3V4mqlzheO3+0xSnufbBE/GlP4hbmdfO/eO6aErEghXrPMXIXxWRgIqFlzfpTU0FpR6szBYf0hR7UAfqazpZ1JGsGa4s7Y4I= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xOTkwMDAwMDA4ZTc2MjIuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r2.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.186.58.227]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 22 Aug 2018 15:09:46 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r2.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 22 Aug 2018 15:09:43 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fsYVg-000D9v-Qo; Wed, 22 Aug 2018 19:09:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 20:09:39 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: doug@safeport.com Cc: doug , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stable vs releng Message-Id: <20180822200939.d5d7016222d14073a5b43fd6@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <010327df-876b-dc05-e9ed-130f3e8decb0@ifdnrg.com> <20180822154439.e388b74673a183639554ff5e@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 19:09:49 -0000 On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 13:38:02 -0400 (EDT) doug wrote: > On Wed, 22 Aug 2018, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 09:52:36 +0100 > > Matthew Seaman wrote: > > > >> So no removal of drivers, no > >> changes to ABIs, compatibility for 3rd party kernel modules across all > >> the kernels in the branch etc. Some of that I think we're getting > >> right, other bits we aren't doing so well with. > > > > nVidia > > > I do not understand. If the FreeBSD Desktop support model is a two story > outhouse, XORG has always been on the top floor. At least that was my > understanding. What am I missing? When 11.2 came out there was an issue which broke kernel ABI compatibility. The packages are built on 11.1 to ensure that they run on all 11.x which is fine apart from kernel modules like the nvidia one which breaks horribly on 11.2 (panics the box) unless it is built on 11.2. Since 11.1 is supported for three months after 11.2 came out the packages have to be 11.1 builds. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/