From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 3 16:38:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96ED16A419 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:38:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0C313C459 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:38:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so7228991pyb for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:38:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qIOrEVkRuBaG9NNgoz03cXfExAXHsFf16kcfx6ZZgOA=; b=o/cRvAiBuzZC15ULeVgwS2d1DK+p/tqySZXcgqAso4T0JYGwffBRWKJyq08v2MjULPvefsxDNghBKXRulWYal+5DtMRo5pWLIehnhDA1YbM+mbNuHr1LIPrWXzYFOSyBEF2tzSIQnalRq0A3E1h/601vYUVlvZtcFtJWQjpayCE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UESFwn1T3eIDUuZIAJ0/N4DQqnsQGjBmyNbxNkT54FakvrH1E+igbEyWd0ZJtQyJETSNp9aWLMswbpSUyfz8iNS0Nii9Sf9+rYbliZ8lU2ZSRHGPVzgRpxAQPtvfmg+Q5VICBkRgT6Q2WDJD2KyRwyt93nYQbTxBGYJMveYZ0M0= Received: by 10.65.233.16 with SMTP id k16mr12332636qbr.1196699915952; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:38:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f18sm7231573qba.2007.12.03.08.38.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:38:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47543109.3050303@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:38:33 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ade Lovett References: <200712030308.32301.david@vizion2000.net> <3BC04A18-86CD-4A93-831A-691EBD8D4A43@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <3BC04A18-86CD-4A93-831A-691EBD8D4A43@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:38:43 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > > Live by the code, die by the code. > > Show us some code. Or, quite frankly, since y'all have missed the > subtleties of others, put up, or shut up. Coding before the problem is well understood is the worst of all possible solutions... specifically in many ways thats how to the port system got into such a bad state.... the idea is to get a good idea of what is wrong before we fix it... I have plenty ideas but am purposefully not stating them so as not to color responses to the survey.... basically the idea is start assume that we know nothing and gather data without passing judgment and refine stuff based on what we find until there is a set of features and perhaps even a roughed out framework that we can be agreed on by the large majority of people... *ONLY* then can we start to examine what kind of code is even needed. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHVDEJ358R5LPuPvsRAplgAKCjoQ8P63vJCsBDd8/ieoNH543jhACeOOZX 8wg95gDTBnYO2d0GPK8j7VM= =OUwt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----