From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 5 13:12:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5816C106566C for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 13:12:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA57E8FC14 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 13:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbfk1 with SMTP id fk1so6217160vcb.13 for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 05:11:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=az3HYZNA1952hlnZzkgYW6YgPVi3Ko5ItESXCIxk2NA=; b=nOIcsa0bWmG9/PI4ENKWqYdHtiMW15j+7gQbbO26ZspZmf+s34bMZ55S7DSylFN8yX Z5/CD2r2zab1G4smOaI6VYABkNCKndnKuabEegakoJnphs8Iu6hzVe3xb8b/FpjOKFDS WEv5B6GElHuNJQ3yqN1z9CJnOjdZ1ZPhTmzLQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.186.225 with SMTP id fn1mr4484345vdc.32.1323089344666; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 04:49:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.172.240 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 04:49:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4ED974A2.7080606@FreeBSD.org> <4ED9EA27.8090206@inse.ru> <20111203.140334.74707074.sthaug@nethelp.no> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:49:04 +0000 Message-ID: From: Tom Evans To: Max Khon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, sthaug@nethelp.no Subject: Re: CVS removal from the base X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 13:12:00 -0000 On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Max Khon wrote: > CVS != csup. > > I wonder how many people will express their sentiments about CVS when > they really mean cvsup/csup. I wasn't going to jump onto this bikeshed, as CVS will not be going anywhere any time soon, I am sure. I use cvs, rather than csup. I use cvsup to fetch CVS archives to /home/ncvs, and check out ports from there, as described in development(7). If ports were no longer delivered via CVS, you may have had a point about removing CVS from base - but they are not. In my mind, a first step would be to move ports to subversion, initially using svn->cvs bridge. Once done, the next step would be to change all infrastructure scripts so that they can build from/be driven by subversion. After that, nothing in base would use cvs for any purpose, and at that point I would be happy for it to be dropped from base - but only if it was replaced by subversion. I think it is important that with a base install of FreeBSD you can check out and update the source and rebuild itself. Cheers Tom