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Zeeb" Cc: Brooks Davis , src-committers , svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 20:19:50 -0000 On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Bjoern A. Zeeb < bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net> wrote: > On 23 May 2018, at 18:20, Brooks Davis wrote: > > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 10:41:17AM -0700, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: >> >>> On Tue, May 08, 2018 at 09:14:29PM +0000, Sean Bruno wrote: >>> S> Log: >>> S> nxge(4): >>> S> Remove nxge(4) and associated man page and tools in FreeBSD 12.0. >>> ... >>> S> +20180508: >>> S> + The nxge(4) driver has been removed. This driver was for PCI-X >>> 10g >>> S> + cards made by s2io/Neterion. The company was aquired by Exar a= nd >>> S> + no longer sells or supports Ethernet products. If you have >>> device >>> S> + nxge in your kernel config file it must be removed. >>> S> + >>> >>> If end of sales and support is enough to remove 10g driver from the >>> kernel, >>> can we please delete all 10Mbit, 100Mbit 10+ year old drivers from the >>> kernel? >>> >> >> It's probably a good idea to add deprecation notices for them now and >> merge for 11 to find out which ones still have users. Someone on IRC >> mentioned that FreeNAS removed them and ended up restoring one, but I >> don't remember which one it was. >> >> My gut feeling is that we're a bit late in the game for doing a mass >> removal for 12, but we should definitely do so for 13. >> > > I=E2=80=99d be very careful. I can still buy a lot of 100Mbit/s cards an= d you > constantly find them on new SoCs still which don=E2=80=99t do Gbit/s. Al= so there=E2=80=99s > a lot of legacy hw floating around for some of them. 12 definitively see= ms > to be too short term. There's a lot of really old drivers we could safely retire in 13 and not affect more than a handful of users who could easily buy a new add-in card since several of the early Bill Paul tulip drivers never were designed into mobos. There's no compelling reason to move quickly with 12 retirement. But marking them *NOW* as going away in 13 will let us get some feedback from people / situations that would be affected in plenty of time to change course. Warner