From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 1 01:15:40 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5EE5552E87 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2021 01:15:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dpj4W4ww2z3jfh for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2021 01:15:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dpj4T3HdqzDyTd for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2021 17:15:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1614561337; bh=5ra3wToaTH52i5SUUxNyamOa7/0/o1HPlhkX/71UyW4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=NK5fWCvBrCm172GmiDGErdf9NAA2d1VX1gUjb+DV/Wa/dk0A2eJrF3icCNkXb49pp +yEtnzXDMKN6CvOX5yba8fTE3lrMQIQMTNb17d32CU/aAV1XjgsR6CXrsa1BjXPwna akRuO12xP+maS+vDuAIRapQNcheX7WQcjiYGLbYc= X-Riseup-User-ID: 4BE3CCCD1788F65BF9242F9ABC34B7068A8BD7231CD1BCB5FF45DAFC36D69AAE Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Dpj4S63FTz5vc2 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2021 17:15:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 02:15:33 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Mail Relay Services Message-ID: <20210301021533.2cdf4542@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <0f796363-6444-596e-d3c6-6eaf341f9298@pinyon.org> References: <877d08ef-d533-69f6-4c44-f2cbbe39ba31@tundraware.com> <000001d70dff$23f1cdf0$6bd569d0$@gsicomp.on.ca> <0f796363-6444-596e-d3c6-6eaf341f9298@pinyon.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dpj4W4ww2z3jfh X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=NK5fWCvB; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2021 01:15:40 -0000 On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 17:36:57 -0700, Russell L. Carter wrote: >This wouldn't be an issue if encrypted body content was a thing but >all the time that I had active pgp keys and some savvy correspondents >I got, over a few years, maybe a half dozen encrypted bodies. I received 0 encrypted mail from people who aren't members of a computer related community and by its very nature I also didn't sent an encrypted mail to any of those receivers for more than a decade. The only encrypted mails I sent or got were from FLOSS community members, so I don't use encryption for emails anymore. I've seen that a few companies are providing public keys since a few years, but that's just a drop in the ocean, from no value to me, to start encrypting emails again. German authorities offer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De-Mail#Criticism without "additional" encryption only. I don't want to get such an account. >I am inclined to think of it this way: can't trust TLS relays at all, >and they're just another relay. At least I can send mail. Am I being >naive? No you aren't. Emails are postcards, just that postcards pass less hands of strangers. If possible we should write postcards, since postcards grant better privacy than emails do. OTOH if you want to change something, it's probably better to disagree with log files containing inappropriate copies of data.