From owner-freebsd-jail@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 03:46:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: jail@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 203FD6B5 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 03:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C7A4254 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 03:46:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id t0R3k9sQ016368; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 14:46:09 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 14:46:09 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Mark Linimon Subject: Re: preferred jail management tool In-Reply-To: <20150127012347.GA4940@lonesome.com> Message-ID: <20150127141239.V77290@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20150127012347.GA4940@lonesome.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: jail@freebsd.org, "Michael W. Lucas" , Sean Chittenden X-BeenThere: freebsd-jail@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about FreeBSD jail\(8\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 03:46:21 -0000 On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 19:23:48 -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: [Sean Chittenden wrote:] > > > For years I've used and endorsed ezjail, but as stated, it is depreciated. > > Hmm, there's no notation at > http://portsmon.freebsd.org/portoverview.py?category=sysutils&portname=ezjail , > nor in the Makefile AFAICT. > > > > For a book, excluding ezjail would exclude a huge portion of the user base > > > and seems like it would hurt credibility given its dominance as the > > > preferred tool for jail administration. I agree with this; given its history and installed base it certainly deserves some coverage with at least references to its documentation, as a precursor to more recently emerging, likely more comprehensive tools. > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:54:50PM -0500, Alejandro Imass wrote: > > Maybe is something obvious to the more technical crowd but as a user what > > does "depreciated" mean in this context? > > Really the word most people use is "deprecated" rather than "depreciated". > > It can mean any number of things: > > - it no longer works due to changes in other software > - it has been replaced by something else > - the author is no longer interested in maintaining it > > and so forth. > > I don't know the answer in this case. As Alejandro went on to point out, depreciate means (ref Concise Oxford) 'Diminish in value' or 'Lower market price of; reduce purchasing power of (money); disparage, belittle' (L. pretiare f. pretium price), while deprecate means 'Plead against; express wish against or disapproval of (L. precari pray). Different, with some overlap regarding belittlement. The former term is prominent in Joe's http://jail-primer.sourceforge.net/ cheers, Ian