From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 14 00:06:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C14D16A400 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:06:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl (smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl [213.51.130.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07F913C489 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:06:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from [213.51.130.188] (port=46608 helo=smtp3.groni1.gr.home.nl) by smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HcVmX-0007em-2I for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:06:21 +0200 Received: from cp464173-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.214.242]:51127 helo=desktop.homenet) by smtp3.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HcVmU-0005Zt-3D for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:06:18 +0200 From: Danny Pansters To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:06:04 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <2a4057fc0704131021t60249c62k4107ee6cf9f1fb8f@mail.gmail.com> <461FC78B.3070300@daleco.biz> <20070413204942.GA26716@rfc822.net> In-Reply-To: <20070413204942.GA26716@rfc822.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704140206.04367.danny@ricin.com> X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: Re: I like Ubuntu X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:06:22 -0000 On Friday 13 April 2007 22:49:42 Pete Ehlke wrote: > On Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 13:10:19 -0500, Kevin Kinsey wrote: > >Claude Menski wrote: > >>Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? > > > >Because you can still use it if the "U" key is borked? > > The answer to this question is, always has been, and always will be: > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html > > -Pete > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Just my EUR 0.02. Perhaps even informative... I got fed up with FreeBSD before. Serveral times. Always returned. Gentoo? Nice until it explodes in your face. And it takes as much time if not more to run a desktop compared to FreeBSD. [K]Ubuntu? I ran kubuntu. It can be great for you if you can stomach their KDE menu which I think is even worse than vanilla KDE. One nice thing is that things like Flash can be made to work easily. It's limited if you want to go beyond what's been considered interesting for the user. I can understand that but I may not be that user. Debian? Works out great but you're going to be using old packages or be tracking repos for them yourself. Perhaps then you might as well build from source whenever needed. Very reliable though. Arch? Really great, nice pkg build system but limited (source) package availability, much worse than FreeBSD. It's somewhat easier to make ABS "source packages" though but they seem to suffer from a lack of new developer/maintainer uptake. Or lack of management/QA structure maybe. Well thought out system though. One deciding factor for me was my TV card hardware. My own crap on FreeBSD was just working better whether bktr or saa (I wouldnt say pwc, havent used that much anyhow) than was v4l or v4l2 on various Linuxen. Of course if you need to have your peculiar device supported you're likely better off with Linux I'd wager arch or debain or gentoo may be easier to get a oddball device working than the *buntu's but never say never). v4l* are very convoluted and messy. I found it to be buggy and of generally worse performance on the same machine (probably because of piling layers of abstraction that have to be toned down again at a higher level). But yeah if I just want a *NIX desktop that does everything I'd use [k]ubuntu or another GUI based distro (knoppix or derivative, or other), or if I want to spend some more time and tune it (and then maybe clone the setups): Arch or Debian or Gentoo. Dan