From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 15 02:37:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A4816A405 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:37:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl (smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl [213.51.130.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1CD13C465 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:37:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from [213.51.130.188] (port=39449 helo=smtp3.groni1.gr.home.nl) by smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HRiZJ-0002eA-9v for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:32:05 +0100 Received: from cp464173-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.214.242]:56731 helo=desktop.homenet) by smtp3.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HRfPF-0005zA-PH for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 03:09:29 +0100 From: Danny Pansters To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 03:13:31 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <20070314155326.GA23363@thought.org> <20070314230041.GA96282@thought.org> <200703141555.36585.beech@alaskaparadise.com> In-Reply-To: <200703141555.36585.beech@alaskaparadise.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703150313.31857.danny@ricin.com> X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: Re: binary patches? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:37:25 -0000 On Thursday 15 March 2007 00:55, Beech Rintoul wrote: > This issue comes up about every six months. If you google the mailing > list you will find extensive discussion about why binary upgrades are > a bad idea. If you want to upgrade using packages only > use 'portupgrade -PP'. Bear in mind it takes the package build > cluster a couple of weeks to catch up. For security reasons we > (maintainers) don't build packages and building binaries for every That's not (mainly) for security reasons, it's for QA reasons (as in: does your port survive a pointyhat run when in some cases there may even be trouble caused by a dependent package not yours but you may have to deal with it anyway). That's the main reason for building (and deinstalling) them in a known environment as the build cluster does. I do usually make available a (i386) package on my site when I PR a port but I expect that people who use them know that they're using a stop-gap solution (while the port isn't committed yet) or perhaps an get outdated package or one that differs in any way from the "official" one that goes on the FreeBSD CD and FTP mirrors. In other words I don't do package QA, while the build cluster and the FreeBSD pkg people do. But it's not a security thing I think. > possible configuration would place an extreme load on the build > cluster (not to mention the space required to host them all). I suspect that the build cluster is waiting for user input after failed builds mostly ;-) Not building packages for every possible port config is probably more a people limit than a CPU/RAM horsepower limit. Some poor soul is going to have to report and/or fix it when it breaks after all... Cheers, Dan