From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 22 22:05:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF0B1065670; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:05:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com (mail-fx0-f222.google.com [209.85.220.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C8B8FC0A; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so162408fxm.36 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:05:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=GnXl3KdSYkV3H/dIhxGXLnMFS0g7STn32elskQs3Imc=; b=i1mDhGGH7ja2RebTm6QEBRePB2L9XORwvBhEyPOHaH5F/dPV5GYY0sh2K0FFUimSxi eEqLuZCPU6l/h+7b1HWB73ADPy3nNnyt6GzhTP9a1wBbpJVovFdFPD5ipbsK/wN2DUM3 q11Ii6+XauU/M+RAIT/Loe0XchqGi00jNs1gw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=mP6eUjh5ZFio7bOXuQ/Fg1g69iRRtIv4srJ4lr+EQ6GqJjDCU8qbDNo1g2Ckdtp3lL XHQKgSkQSHdSFTmC2HkRzwuUn6nHZwM4My76XNkGqxNNgg/E7JBKUjYEKKwMN8RnxS+c OV2nlcUI002vFUEZb1a91IKIRn3FLKjrpczqk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.134.221 with SMTP id a29mr140856hba.20.1253657133617; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:05:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090922213127.GB84817@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <20090921112657.GW95398@hoeg.nl> <20090922135435.36a3d40e@lazybytes.org> <4AB90448.9020706@FreeBSD.org> <19e9a5dc0909221014o14e88c96ubf32142b85d781d@mail.gmail.com> <20090922173517.GB63149@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20090922200449.GL19207@rugsucker.local> <19e9a5dc0909221329j5757c3f7kc23e94ea8f26a05@mail.gmail.com> <20090922213127.GB84817@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:05:33 -0300 Message-ID: <19e9a5dc0909221505k3d55d070u741d86e03d2316a6@mail.gmail.com> From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: Steve Kargl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: arch@freebsd.org, Gregory Shapiro , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BIND in the base (Was: Re: tmux(1) in base) X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:05:35 -0000 On 9/22/09, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 05:29:25PM -0300, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: >> On 9/22/09, Gregory Shapiro wrote: >> >> I suppose it doesn't matter to you that sendmail is actually >> >> maintained by Greg Shapiro, VP, CTO of Sendmail, Inc. >> > >> > While I appreciate the vote of confidence, it doesn't, and it shouldn't. >> > I'll continue to maintain sendmail in the base as long as it is welcome >> > there. If the project wants it moved out, that is not up to me (though >> > I hope it stays). >> > >> > I haven't spent a lot of time looking at DMA, but some requirements that >> > pop to mind for it to be a replacement would be things like accepting >> > local mail via SMTP (e.g., for MUAs which use SMTP submission) and >> > supporting STARTTLS and SMTP AUTH for talking to the upstream MTA. >> >> Dear Mr. Gregory Shapiro: >> >> I'm writing this letter to let you know that I have nothing personal >> against either your person, your professional work, your contributions >> to the FreeBSD project, your personal and professional merits or >> anything at all. >> >> I was prompt with an dubiously honest question and I replied with an >> honest answer, as I know no other way, and yet still stand in the >> belief that the use of names as means to declare any authority, be it >> moral or otherwise, constitutes no truth nor does any good to reason. >> > > Then you completely missed the point of my response. sendmail > is being maintained the people that actual wrote the code. If > dma replaces sendmail, will the authors of dma become FreeBSD > committers and maintain dma in the same manner that sendmail > has been maintained. Then you completely missed _my_ point which is the same point other posters have been making: so much whining for (tiny) tmux when we still have (huge) sendmail in base? to turn the discussion into yours (who's gonna maintain dma should we replace sendmail?). Regards Gonzalo