From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 4 05:06:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DAFE16A4DA for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 05:06:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from backyard1454-nospam@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp107.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp107.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3256D43D64 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 05:06:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from backyard1454-nospam@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 81431 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 05:06:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bDEYzNspGvrHtOD7s9nM9pTxa5hiRHBjtuiaAXTKcRe/dk6pSntLYQbXRQj35ZVOFM2/tUsp/PM6S/mGLiscbIoAU0biKlgz+V3hv+ktSZ0wMQ33xfYm1t/WteYzvmKuosYJdcW6Z93gPZB7FhiHnliTXf48jFtCm/3DbJIyirw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.67?) (mckeon?brian@sbcglobal.net@75.25.98.170 with plain) by smtp107.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2006 05:06:07 -0000 Message-ID: <44D2D36C.7000108@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:56:12 -0400 From: Brian McKeon User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: User Freebsd References: <20060804001011.17781.qmail@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060803211935.S25268@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20060803211935.S25268@ganymede.hub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Boris Samorodov , backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stand up and be counted - BSDStats Project X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: backyard1454-nospam@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 05:06:15 -0000 User Freebsd wrote: > On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com wrote: > >> Personally I don't think this stuff should be tracked in any >> centralized fashion. I don't particullarly like when our freedom to >> choose to do something is tracked or monitored; because it is no >> longer a freedom. Maybe that is just paranoia speaking. > > > none of your freedoms will be in any way infringed upon with what is > proposed ... you will always have the freedom to disable the reporting > and not particpate *shrug* > >> I think a much more productive goal is to get all the users that have >> unsupported hardware to write into the vendor that created it and ask >> them why they don't support a spawn of the OS that allowed what we >> call the internet to exist. Put this message on FreeBSD.org, get >> people in this list to do it, get on a soap box and scream it. I >> think giving them numbers of systems will just be ignored. But >> getting 1000 emails a day in multiple languages from around the world >> will get them thinking maybe its worth at least releasing the specs >> just to shut these people up. > > > The above is an "active campaign", which you will generally find > doesn't yield anything, unfortunately, since its more work then 99.9% > of the people will feel compelled to do ... > > As ScottL said in one of his emails, in a form ... We don't want to > piss Adaptec off, which a "letter writing campaign" would ... what we > want to do is give Adaptec something to think about in terms of > 'market missed' ... > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services > (http://www.hub.org) > Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . > scrappy@hub.org > Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 > sometimes I think with my head not up in the air. I see you point. I guess I'll try to give them more of a market to be concered about. If I can convince the girls next door its simple and friendly to USE, then I think anybody can be convinced, Good luck with the project, maybe I'll find myself on the list someday wish me luck with this desktopbsd thiing; I'm in short supply of it lately and it will be coming in handy... -brian