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Hausen" Cc: Greg Rivers , ports@freebsd.org, ler@freebsd.org References: <4797626.YNO7O01DYZ@no.place.like.home> <39391265.yjtGejjdTc@no.place.like.home> <2e5a17a5-cc66-9189-ef3e-35605f59dcce@bayofrum.net> From: Chris Rees Message-ID: <24735bc7-799f-8382-c098-b82d857d3d92@bayofrum.net> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 16:39:16 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A742F1C.60410D03.0021, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.3 cv=Op0xNB3t c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VPjlEbx5XC2baNimRf67MQ==:117 a=VPjlEbx5XC2baNimRf67MQ==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=dESyimp9J3IA:10 a=ZB5LerlCAAAA:8 a=EvDBzxzhCrodliiqpT0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=YKPTzOroS2oaEK2QgPcx:22 X-Origin-Country: GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DrxQD5lklz4Wwv X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd-ports]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2021 16:38:45 -0000 On 04/03/2021 16:16, Chris wrote: > On 2021-03-04 00:50, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: >> Hi all, >> >>> Am 04.03.2021 um 02:17 schrieb Chris Rees : >>> The problem is, that although the php80 flavour does not depend on >>> pecl-pdflib, the default flavour does, >>> which means that the package will not be built as it you have to >>> agree to pecl-pdflib's licence. >> >> I am not a lawyer. That being said I have done some homework and did >> a lot if reading >> in February 2020. Sent my findings to the port maintainer of >> print/pdflib, but did not get >> a response, unfortunately. >> >> My conclusion is that you don't need to agree to PDFlib GmbH's >> license, because all >> of the legalese on their home page applies to a completely different >> product than the >> one used by pecl-pdflib. >> >> But step by step ... >> >> 1.    pecl-pdflib is published under the PHP license, so it is >> clearly open source. >> 2.    The FreeBSD port is not based on pdflib, but pdflib-lite - this >> is the crucial point. >> 3.    pdflib-lite is a product abandoned by PDFlib GmbH in 2011. >> 4.    pdflib-lite archives come with an open source license bundled >> in the archive. >> 5.    This is the only license applicable to our case. All the other >> licensing stuff on their >>     website applies to pdflib - *which is a completely different >> product*. >> 6.    The license bundled with pdflib-lite explicitly permits the >> distribution of binaries as >>     long as the license document and some other auxiliary files are >> included. >> 7.    The port does this and puts the necessary documents in >> /usr/local/share/doc/pdflib. >> >> You won't find any information about pdflib-lite on PDFlib GmbH's >> website, because >> they pulled it. Nonetheless the source is "out there", bundled with a >> permissive license >> which cannot be taken back. >> >> So the entire discussion is moot - as long as pecl-pdflib can be >> built with pdflib-lite. >> >> The problem with the port/packages infrastructure is that this line in >> ports/print/pdflib/Makefile >> is nonsense, IMHO: >> >>     RESTRICTED=     Many odd restrictions on usage and distribution >> >> >> Download the pdflib-lite tarball and see the documents for yourself. >> I am repeating myself: >> all the legalese on the PDFlib GmbH website *does not apply* to this >> product (pdflib-lite). > I needed the pdflib-lite for a script I cobbled up to batch convert > to/from text/pdf > a couple of years ago. I can confirm that the lib is with a > *non*restrictive license. > My humble suggestion; > Can't we please simply create a pdflib-lite port, and be done with all > this and related? :-) > The pdflib that we have in the port *is* pdflib-lite :)   Hence my proposed review to ale@. Chris