From owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 17 22:43:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F1A16A494 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:43:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from security@jim-liesl.org) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 751E243D92 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:42:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from security@jim-liesl.org) Received: (qmail 14017 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2006 15:42:59 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 13995, pid: 13996, t: 4.5641s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:40/d:2019 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO daemon.jim-liesl.org) (66.60.173.44) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 17 Oct 2006 15:42:54 -0700 Received: from daemon.jim-liesl.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daemon.jim-liesl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564D36504; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (daemon.static.surewest.net [192.168.1.15]) by daemon.jim-liesl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1163363D7; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <45355C6E.5030703@jim-liesl.org> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:42:54 -0700 From: security User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-security@freebsd.org References: <453531C9.7080304@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <453531C9.7080304@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:49:51 +0000 Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:43:24 -0000 FreeBSD Security Officer wrote: > In short: > * FreeBSD is a volunteer project, and we don't want to volunteer to support > FreeBSD 4.x beyond the scheduled EoL date of January 31st, 2007; > * Even if we did want to support FreeBSD 4.x beyond that date, I'm not certain > that we would be able to do so, given that both FreeBSD and the rest of the > world has moved on; and > * You've had lots of warning that this was going to happen, so it's a bit late > to start complaining now. > > Colin Percival > FreeBSD Security Officer > To no one in particular: "The hood's not welded on" (Eric Raymond?). You'll have the sources. If you're using 4.11 in a business, you need to decide if it's more cost effective to move on to 6 or hire someone to keep 4.11 running. There's compat_4 to keep most userland apps happy. I'm sure you could argue the various design issues to your hearts content on the news groups, but practically speaking, I don't have an issue with this. Nor is it all that different from your typical paid for support model for a proprietary OS. It's not like the poor folks that got stuck with a business app that was locked to win95 or 98 with bizarre undocumented API's jim