From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Mon Dec 4 09:26:29 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72FF3DF574B for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 09:26:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wjw@digiware.nl) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B687F2CC for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 09:26:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wjw@digiware.nl) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 54317DF5749; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 09:26:29 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D3FDF5748 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 09:26:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wjw@digiware.nl) Received: from smtp.digiware.nl (smtp.digiware.nl [IPv6:2001:4cb8:90:ffff::3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B38F7F2CB; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 09:26:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wjw@digiware.nl) Received: from router.digiware.nl (localhost.digiware.nl [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.digiware.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FEB2E663; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:26:18 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at digiware.com Received: from smtp.digiware.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by router.digiware.nl (router.digiware.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vM5kwy9DYMnD; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:26:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.11.152] (unknown [192.168.11.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.digiware.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 833FC2E662; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:26:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Deprecating / Removing floppy drive support To: Alex Kozlov , Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: arch@freebsd.org References: <201712030616.vB36GFEg026146@slippy.cwsent.com> <43746890-e60a-5c8f-4c77-bbfe9a5a6aa9@selasky.org> <67961.1512296877@critter.freebsd.dk> <20171203120028.32f84314@ernst.home> <20171203113341.GA68792@ravenloft.kiev.ua> <23404.1512302187@critter.freebsd.dk> <20171203121821.GA69142@ravenloft.kiev.ua> From: Willem Jan Withagen Message-ID: <387b63e9-f97c-fa2d-192d-8e36cb2dbcba@digiware.nl> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:26:17 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171203121821.GA69142@ravenloft.kiev.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 09:26:29 -0000 On 03/12/2017 13:18, Alex Kozlov wrote: > On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 11:56:27AM +0000, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> -------- >> In message <20171203113341.GA68792@ravenloft.kiev.ua>, Alex Kozlov writes: >>> On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 12:00:28PM +0100, Gary Jennejohn wrote: >>>> On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 10:27:57 +0000 >>>> "Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Incidentally FreeBSD is/was the only modern OS which could >>>>> still read 8" floppies. >>> Well, with proper* cable you can connect 8" drive to fdc and read >>> it pretty much on any OS that supports floppies. >> Uhm... no ? >> >> Very few OS's have had 8" format compatible settings since CP/M >> and even fewer handle the track46 pin correctly on write. > I'd done it in dos, I read about successful setups for Linux and > Windows(older). Anecdotally, I was not able to do it in FreeBSD. Never too late to learn.... I still think I have my (from 1982) 8" disks around with a ported CP/M system to a TRS-80 like system... But ever since the Intel ASM/CPM developement stack died on the University they have been lying round for nostalgic reasons. And the hardware got dumped with the last move about 12 years ago. But it never ever occured to me that FreeBSD would be able to do 8", if alone for the controller. But now I learn that it could have worked... Cool :) --WjW