From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 14 0:18:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.osd.bsdi.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7833C37BD6A for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:18:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18786; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:19:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) To: Brett Glass Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Bill Fumerola , "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Displacement of Blame[tm] In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:56:25 MDT." <4.3.2.7.2.20000714004715.04b8bc00@localhost> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:19:29 -0700 Message-ID: <18783.963559169@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [This has absolutely nothing to do with security now - redirecting to -chat] > You seemed to like the idea of starting a BSD track at the O'Reilly > conference -- after I did it on my own initiative. That's hard a good example of "one of your ideas" since other people have had the idea before, you simply implemented it at O'Reilly. If you had not, somebody else would have. Kind of a no-brainer, really. > >Your ideas, not to put too fine a point on it, tend to be wild flights > >of hallucinogenic fantasy and are not "good" by any stretch of the > >imagination. > > Now YOU are hurling insults. No, I'm stating what I feel to be the facts. I don't like your ideas and I think that they, for the most part, suck. You can take that as a gratuitous insult or you can maybe, just maybe, wonder if I've come to hold such opinions through negative experience. > Jordan, while you seem to be good at doing releases and organizing > development, you have not done well at promoting the platform. I think I've done as good a job as anyone could expect to do and I also seriously doubt that you'd have done any better in my place, so this tangent is just more of your wild opinionating in action. I'm sure you'd have us all believe that since I didn't manage to beat Linux and Microsoft singlehandedly, I somehow failed and should not stand in the way of a real stud like yourself who knows how to walk the walk. That's bull, just as has been your frequently-stated assertion that I'm "allergic to serious advocacy and highly resistent to new ideas." So far I've been very open to both, I've just been resistent to "rabid advocacy" (and you can simply read my past postings on what constitutes "rabid" given that you're so fond of referring to the mail archives) and I've been resistent to YOUR ideas. I like new ideas just fine, but a crack smoking idea is still a crack smoking idea and you seem to have a disproportionate number of those. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message