From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 22 20:35:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA4816A4E2 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:35:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6187543D73 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:35:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from localhost (wm.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88326291B23; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:35:06 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03159-02; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:35:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-179-167.eastlink.ca [24.224.179.167]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6EB0290C6D; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:35:05 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id 6F5765E0AA; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:35:10 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDB25E0A2; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:35:10 -0300 (ADT) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:35:10 -0300 (ADT) From: User Freebsd To: jan gestre In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060722172950.J1799@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060722145621.A1799@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What I would like to see, or "How many FreeBSD boxen are out there?" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:35:17 -0000 On Sun, 23 Jul 2006, jan gestre wrote: > On 7/23/06, User Freebsd wrote: >> >> >> On various lists, including this one, there is talk about how to we make >> hardware vendors sit up and take more notice of us ... alot of the >> negative responses back seem to be 'we are too small of a group', but, of >> couse, nobody out there can really give any even *reasonable* numbers of >> desktops and servers deployed with FreeBSD ... >> >> What I'd love to see is a *project initiated* (or FreeBSD Foundation) >> FreeBSD reporting mechanism similar to: >> >> http://www.mreriksson.net/uptimes/myuptimes >> >> Something just for FreeBSD users (well, all *BSD users should be invited) >> ... uptime not being the really big thing here, but stuff like version of >> FreeBSD being run, country being run in, maybe have it part dmesg on >> startup and report devices in use, etc ... >> >> Come up with reports like # of hosts using fxp vs em devices, etc ... >> although it may be a bit more difficult, I don't know, but report on >> specific hardware being used ... >> >> Statistics that either Core, or the FreeBSD Foundation, can use to show >> vendors they are talking to about what is currently in use ... but also to >> show developers themselves what device drivers are actually in use, that >> sort of thing ... >> >> Nothing that I'd think would be 'sensitive information', but information >> that would be useful from either a marketing, or support, point of view >> ... >> >> And market / promote it ... >> >> Basically, unless I'm mistaken, right now we have *nothing* to base >> numbers on, except maybe the netcraft report(s)? ... but, that only >> includes hosts running web servers ... how many are running firewalls? >> desktops? mail servers? etc ... >> >> We need to show vendors we aren't some "hobbiest group", and towards that >> end, producing some sort of up to date #s would really help, I would think >> ... show them we are a market worth looking at ... >> > why not make something similar to the linux counter, and let users > register and have their registration number. The point of the link I sent above, or other similar systems, is that its relatively self-maintaining ... you register a server/desktop with the system, as being 'owned' by you, and run a small client that polls the system periodically ... If the server gets taken offline, it automatically gets marked as being an inactive host ... I don't know how linux counter works, but any system where someone has to go to a web site to "remove a host" if it gets taken offline is inherently flawed from the started since a) what stops ppl from just adding hosts with nothing to back them? and b) most of us are too lazy to bother going to mark as being 'offline' ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664