From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 8 8:36:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE98014D7B for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:36:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14753; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:33:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990908091226.047c96f0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 09:32:27 -0600 To: Rod Taylor , chat@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Looking for the actual proposal... In-Reply-To: <99090807163506.00470@a11.idiotswitch.org> References: <4.2.0.58.19990907215517.047c9880@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:12 AM 9/8/99 -0400, Rod Taylor wrote: >Ok... Now I understand what you see are problems. I agree to some, while >others I'm not sure of. That's fine. Disagreement is always OK; it's attempting to silence dissent that's bad. > Anyhow. Doesn't matter. After that you continued to >defend yourself from the others on the list. Personally, I couldn't care less >about how well you defend from attacks. There was more to it than just "defense." There's a lot of philosophy in there, as well as a healthy dose of pragmatism and reality. >The only valued point was that you though BSD wasn't yet a good enough product >to compete with Linux. Actually, I did NOT say that. (FreeBSD has some technical deficiencies, but IMHO Linux has at least as many.) What I said -- and the distinction is important -- is that FreeBSD is lacking in good memes, which are more important than good code. > Now I ask, how can I, as the user help out in the >cause. You threw out names, and problems, but still haven't even hinted at the >solution of which so far you claim to know and have investors to fix. I did more than hint: I stated explicitly that what's needed is a distribution that's memetically fit. So, I'm putting out a call for generalists: like-minded people who feel comfortable with a foot in both the technical and social/marketing worlds. And, hopefully, who know at least something about memetics and why its concepts are key to an operating system's success. If I get the funding, I'll be able to hire at least some folks as consultants and perhaps a few full-timers. We then go into a huddle and flesh out our plan -- which will be based on the principles I've outlined but will assume its final shape as we learn what works best. >This is the only thing I'm interested in. I suggest you put your efforts into >explaining whats in that basket rather than everyone elses. Here's what's in the basket: A faster-growing user base, jobs, recognition, and fun for developers, a greater feeling of community, and a way to beat back the destructiveness of the GPL. We get there by looking at FreeBSD's problems from the perspective I've already laid out, creating the new distribution (which will share much with the existing ones but add unique value), and starting the evangelism process. What I need, right now, is for like-minded people to e-mail me privately about playing specific roles on the team. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message