From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 10 11:07:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5D01065696 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:07:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A099A8FC1F for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so852958yxe.3 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:07:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:date:from:to:cc :subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:user-agent :x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; bh=xCT47Fo7noYNPCw9JHJpZGmt5HaTHPgTt4gmJz2Gwg0=; b=eTrYQQ85xF24pO6oke9cwtYYW/OsHiPouP0WrBErr1x7Gz1mFwH2TowxcAvzgpqyP5 RjrGirs15tXDblO5t2HDd5ctSbVKGbZCsEim1eiCpUprqSS19wfQtpT0RFV3Redwquum +FmMAotyJ60prQjj1JKz55+4NpVLhqy+v4zEs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :user-agent:x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; b=utQ9KMOJlD1HDW6cIoEnZ8PoeyTccvPgBfMFjiQKojtRVqKXniKTFL8sixOC+jv4pO kOXRQ7XYh3FVfW4OXfeSdlV4ehQFiHc0ailSUHFDjetEli8Ri9GWFBTvHeWeYNZ7MKM+ UlkVgy583GVMQ4LAQayosyvqtBfRi5f1pFw/M= Received: by 10.150.238.4 with SMTP id l4mr6489183ybh.177.1255172853793; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dimension.5p.local (adsl-99-19-46-114.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net [99.19.46.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm1080803gxk.5.2009.10.10.04.07.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: "J. Hellenthal" Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:07:30 -0400 From: jhell To: Alexander Best In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x89D8547E X-OpenPGP-Key-Fingerprint: 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , Randi Harper Subject: Re: sysinstall colours X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:07:35 -0000 On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 06:21, alexbestms@ wrote: > of course sysinstall has a ton of problems and should be replaced. no doubt > about it. but look at it from this angle: > You should really ask what the FreeBSD angle on this is. It is really well versed and well planned out and covers many areas among many people which make the installer a very versatile yet very controversial thing to replace. > current developers don't seem to have any interest in improving sysinstall. so > it's important to get new people involved in freebsd. and the way to do that > is with an attractive looking installer and an easy installation process imo. > There has been a lot of expressed interest in replacing the installed multiple times in the past with unsaid I believe 3 projects going on right now (someone correct me if I'm wrong) everywhere from graphical to script. > sure a good installer doesn't make a good os. but let's face it. when you've > been running windows for a few years and finally want to switch to something > else you're likely looking for an os which doesn't frighten you off right at > the start (which freebsd sort of does). > When you have been running windows for a few years and you have decided to research your options you have kept a open mind and willingness to see what else is out there before you have passed judgment upon something because of its colors. More people search for functionality and use before practical looks. > so i think having a good looking installer is more than just eyecandy. i don't > think hardcore developers who prefer working with a bare X and vi(m)/emacs and > so forth should look down on people who are slowly starting to get involved in > an os, because without new people freebsd will someday be dead. > > alex > Certainly not going to be dead. Forums as of this email have 8,334 registered users alone. That's not counting all the Corporate entities, Yahoo if you may and Google if you will plus uncountable more. -- ;; dataix.net!jhell 2048R/89D8547E 2009-09-30 ;; BSD since FreeBSD 4.2 Linux since Slackware 2.1 ;; 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E