From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 21:34:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0B437B412 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81C5381673; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:04:33 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:04:33 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Francisco Reyes Cc: Kris Kennaway , FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: What is happening at core? Message-ID: <20020509140433.C74947@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20020508134657.A88281@xor.obsecurity.org> <20020508205423.K11309-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020508205423.K11309-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 8 May 2002 at 20:57:36 -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Wed, 8 May 2002, Kris Kennaway wrote: > >> On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 02:14:34PM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: >>> Just read about Mike Smith's resignation from Core. >>> He mentions some feelings simmilar to what Jordan mentioned recently. >>> >>> Anyone care to give their opinion of what is happening? >>> http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=260229+0+current/freebsd-hackers >> >> Some people who have been devoting huge amounts of their life over >> several years to an annoying volunteer job have grown tired with it >> and decided to spend their time doing other things. > > > That is not exactly how I read it. :-( > I read it more like, both Jordan and Mike thought core was doing more > arguing than work. I suspect a big part of the issue is expectations. When we formed the new core, we weren't really certain which way we wanted to go, and we spent a lot of time discussing what we should be. We made mistakes, of course: we were exploring uncharted territory. It certainly wasn't as much fun as some of us had hoped it to be. That doesn't mean that there's anything basically wrong in the concept, however. Those of us who remain are in general agreement that we're more or less on the right track. > One thing I found interesting.. I did not find at the FreeBSD site > an explanation of what exactly core is/does. That's one of the things we discussed. We're still not 100% sure. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message