From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 7 19:31:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE38837B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gbronline.com (mail.gbronline.com [12.145.226.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2096A43E77 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:31:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from DaleCoportable [12.145.236.7] by mail.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id AF9D5270078; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 21:29:33 -0600 Message-ID: <037401c286d7$0c36e510$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: Subject: Eating Crow... Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:29:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear List.... Seems likes it's time to eat some crow. A poster says... > this completely user-UNfriendly operating system and > replacing it with something that we commonplace morons > can use? Three people answer her. Two of them do the Right Thing(tm) and give a polite and accurate response. The third---me---gives the Right Advice(tm), but in the Wrong Way. Opinion seems pretty split between just how Wrong that Way was, but it's pretty obvious from the content of some other recent posts that I've opened Pandora's box. I hope it can be closed again. >your reply was snide and condescending. Well, at least it had content that was snide and condescending. This fellow was sharp and sensitive enough to see the dagger in the pretty wrapper. And while I offered Good Advice(tm), it's quite hard to hear after you get stabbed in the back. >i thought your earlier was polite and to >the point. Yes, perhaps, at least in the wording; but the truth is you can be polite whilst you stick a knife in someone's back....they still get hurt. In a general programming syntax, ((Right*Wrong)=Right) returns "0". Now, look at this: Sometime later, another poster asks a question... and someone who had pointed out how I had been acting acted in much the same way. >if you spent as much time on RTFM as >you did on this... Spurred on by the growing acceptance of general unpoliteness, *begun by me*, this second poster, who has no doubt read my earlier comments, takes the 'F' from the acronym (well, some people says that's what it for) and makes several of us blush, if we have much decency left in this 21st century... > Finally, someone else says that "it all evens out." I doubt he found that at Googlis.....backing out of words ill spoken is harder than reverting your OS version.... Now, you may say that this is commonplace enough on the web, and on mailing lists in general, but I have found that typically this is less true in freebsd@ that many other lists on the net, and that is not even remotely the issue. The issue is _not_ how things are done in general; it is how things _should_ be done, and _what's right_. What I did was *not right*. I'm not trying to make a soap opera out of this (it is too long already), but I don't like the fact that I've done this. I am sorry to the list in general, and to those affected in particular. Paul, I am sorry...I was 'snide and condescending', and it was *considered* rather than inherent. I am particularly sorry that my poor behavior spilled over into your correspondence. I am pretty sure that you are not generally like that. Bryan, I am *very sorry* that I presented a poor example. Please don't clutter the lists with trash talk (I know you didn't send it to the list, but it got there anyway...:-( Finally to Ms. Behm, the OP. I am *extremely* sorry that I treated you in this way. I do not know how I can demonstrate this to you, but I offer you my assistance in any way possible. One reason I mentioned 'consultant' (twice, I guess) is because that is what I do. In penance for my action(s), I offer you my assistance in any way possible over the month of November. You may send me email, or call my phone number, which you can find at www.daleco.biz/contact.html , anytime, day or night, and I will attempt to help you get you computer configured so that it will be more useful to you. I hope, and will attempt, to do better next time. Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message